Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Alaska temperaments

Ok, so I warmed up the keyboard and tried out the 5151 temperaments
I posted about earlier...

...along with the grails and some historical ones.

What I found is that for some reason, while the wide thirds (9:7
and 14:11) sounded okay on the midi retunings I'd tried, they just
didn't cut it at the keyboard. Why this is, I don't know. Both
retunings were done with Scala and played on the same synth. My
guess is that none of the examples I tried had much in the way of
sustained sonorities in the distant keys.

In general, I found that while the 9:7 and 14:11 do sound locked,
anything much over 408 cents doesn't sound like a 5:4 -- it sounds
wrongly out of place, especially if you add the fifth.

So, back at the drawing board, I cooked up 5 temperaments with
flat octaves, and all major thirds less than 408 cents. Here they
are...

< /tuning/files/carl/alaska.zip >

Note that there are performance notes in the .scl files -- open
them in a text editor and have a look.

Here are some selections from the WTC, retuned with Scala to each
of the Alaska temperaments, plus originals...

< http://lumma.org/stuff/alaskabach.zip > ~240 K.

Comments?

-Carl

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> What I found is that for some reason, while the wide thirds (9:7
> and 14:11) sounded okay on the midi retunings I'd tried, they just
> didn't cut it at the keyboard. Why this is, I don't know. Both
> retunings were done with Scala and played on the same synth. My
> guess is that none of the examples I tried had much in the way of
> sustained sonorities in the distant keys.

I think myself good quality 14/11 and 9/7 thirds work well with
sustained sonorities.

> In general, I found that while the 9:7 and 14:11 do sound locked,
> anything much over 408 cents doesn't sound like a 5:4 -- it sounds
> wrongly out of place, especially if you add the fifth.

It isn't supposed to sound like a 5:4, it's supposed to work as music.

> < http://lumma.org/stuff/alaskabach.zip > ~240 K.
>
> Comments?

Let me listen first. :)

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

🔗czhang23@aol.com

Carl,
Ya gonna call a hyperchromatic irregular variation "Baked Alaska" 0_o?
(I couldn't resist after all the Grail variations...)

---
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>Finally a religious statement I can agree with:
>
>the Zoroastrian teaching that it is a sin for a person to be boring.

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- Kenneth Rexroth

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🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

🔗czhang23@aol.com

In a message dated 2003:06:06 11:11:32 AM, Carl Lumma writes:

>> Ya gonna call a hyperchromatic irregular variation
>> "Baked Alaska" 0_o?
>> (I couldn't resist after all the Grail variations...)
>
>What's the reference there? Or am I being dense?

See below. Yes, you are being dense (haven't had your coffee yet or
what?).

------->>> Re: [tuning] Re: Listening to grail-tuned Bach 2003 June 4

In a message dated 2003:06:04 11:28:14 PM, ekin@lumma.org writes:

>>> I think it was one of the first big 20-bit samples. I had downloaded
>>> the mp3 demo of it. The demo mentions that the sample set included
>>> both equal temperament and a well temperament of their own creation,
>>> which they called "The Holy Grail".
>>
>>Dang! Do you think I should change the name?
>
>Nah. -C.

------->>> [tuning] What's in a name? [Re: Listening to grail-tuned Bach]
2003 June 5

In a message dated 2003:06:05 04:51:39 AM, clark@acceleration.net writes:

>Greetings Gene and Jon and ALL!
>
>>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
>> > Dang! Do you think I should change the name?
>>At 02:47 AM 6/5/2003, Jon replies:
>>You could always use Peter Boyle's catch-phrase - "Holy Crap!"
>
>Holy Smoke & Mirrors
>Holy Moly
>Holy Toledo
>Grailing out
>You've got Grrail!
>Wholly Grail
>Just Grail
>Eureka Bar & Grail
>Holy Cow
>Holy of Holies
>Nee!
>
><giggle>
>
>May you drink deep from the Grail,
>and never suffer thirst!
>
>Drumming Peace, R

---
Hanuman Zhang (aka "Z")
musical mad scientist: No, I don't wanna take over the world, just the sound
spectrum

WOG (Wiley Oriental Gentleman ;)
Avatar of Sun WuKong, a.k.a _Ma-Lau_ ("Monkey")
a.k.a. "TricksterGod of the Glorious Anti-Imperialist Chinese Boxers";
¡¡¡ TricksterShapeShifterIncarnate !!!

<= thee prIs ov X.iztenz iz aetern'l warfaer 'N' kreativ playf'llnizz... =>

=> om hung hanumatay rudratmakai hung phat <=
mantra to Hanuman the Hindu Monkey TricksterGod

>Finally a religious statement I can agree with:
>
>the Zoroastrian teaching that it is a sin for a person to be boring.

"Life is all a great joke, but only the brave ever get the point."
- Kenneth Rexroth