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ClownTone again: what is this called?

🔗Danny Wier <dawier@hotmail.com>

6/3/2003 9:24:25 AM

Remember folks, I'm a relative beginner at the science and art of tuning.

I've retuned some Beethoven and Chopin piano MIDIs to this scale, a subset
of 53-tone:

0 4 8 12 16 22 26 31 35 39 43 47 53
(In cents: 0 90 180 270 360 498 588 702 792 882 972 1062 1200)

In just tuning, it can be expressed as 1/1, 256/243, 10/9, 7/6, 16/13 (or
27/22), 4/3... Does this scale have a name already?

Also, how come I can't type the division slash using the numeric keypad in
Scala?

🔗Manuel Op de Coul <manuel.op.de.coul@eon-benelux.com>

6/3/2003 9:51:08 AM

>Also, how come I can't type the division slash using the numeric keypad
in
>Scala?

Hey, I never noticed that. Under Linux it works though. It's not my
fault.

Manuel

🔗Danny Wier <dawier@hotmail.com>

6/3/2003 11:50:44 AM

From: "Danny Wier" <dawier@hotmail.com>

> I've retuned some Beethoven and Chopin piano MIDIs to this scale, a subset
> of 53-tone:
>
> 0 4 8 12 16 22 26 31 35 39 43 47 53
> (In cents: 0 90 180 270 360 498 588 702 792 882 972 1062 1200)

Actually I like 27 (612 cents) better than 26 for the tritone in this case,
so I have a chain of limmas from F-sharp to B-1/4-tone flat.

🔗Danny Wier <dawier@hotmail.com>

6/3/2003 11:51:42 AM

From: "Manuel Op de Coul" <manuel.op.de.coul@eon-

> >Also, how come I can't type the division slash using the numeric keypad
> in
> >Scala?
>
> Hey, I never noticed that. Under Linux it works though. It's not my
> fault.

Of course not; it's just another Windows feature/bug. ;)

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

6/3/2003 12:09:51 PM

>>>Also, how come I can't type the division slash using the numeric
>>>keypad in Scala?
>>
>>Hey, I never noticed that. Under Linux it works though. It's not my
>>fault.
>
>Of course not; it's just another Windows feature/bug. ;)

Actually, it would be a Gtk+ feature/bug.

-C.

🔗monz <monz@attglobal.net>

6/3/2003 1:03:39 PM

hi Danny,

> From: "Danny Wier" <dawier@hotmail.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [tuning] ClownTone again: what is this called?
>
>
> From: "Danny Wier" <dawier@hotmail.com>
>
> > I've retuned some Beethoven and Chopin piano MIDIs
> > to this scale, a subset of 53-tone:
> >
> > 0 4 8 12 16 22 26 31 35 39 43 47 53
> > (In cents: 0 90 180 270 360 498 588 702 792 882 972 1062 1200)
>
> Actually I like 27 (612 cents) better than 26 for
> the tritone in this case, so I have a chain of limmas
> from F-sharp to B-1/4-tone flat.

perhaps this is pedantic ...

one degree of 53edo is a kind of "comma", in fact
it's almost exactly midway between the two most
prevalent commas, the Pythagorean and syntonic.

so, with "C" as our 1:1 ...

for that reason, with 2^(49/53) representing the
Pythagorean major-7th (ratio 243:128), and 2^(48/53)
representing the usual JI major-7th a comma narrower
(ratio 15:8), i'd prefer to call 2^(47/53) a
"B-2-commas-flat" rather than "B-1/4-tone-flat".

employing 1/4-tone terminology to describe 53edo
strikes me as being less useful than comma terminology.

-monz

🔗Danny Wier <dawier@hotmail.com>

6/3/2003 3:08:12 PM

From: "monz" <monz@attglobal.net>

> employing 1/4-tone terminology to describe 53edo
> strikes me as being less useful than comma terminology.

I prefer "diesis" to "quarter-tone", personally. This comes from habit: I'm
ear-trained in 12-tone, and I hear a quarter-tone when I can't tell if it's
a sharp E-flat or a flat E-natural. I also prefer terminology more
"accessible" to the majority who think God and/or JSB (no relation) decreed
that there are 12 notes in the scale and don't ask why.

It just so happens that I'm working on my own 53-tone terminology and
symbolism. You'll hear me talking about "Schoenberg's Ladder", a
two-dimensional representation of 53-tone (not a lattice!), and terms such
as "black notes", "red notes", "blue notes", "green notes" and such. I'm
also tweaking Arel-Ezgi's sharp/flat system a bit.