JI Palestrina

Here's someone with a 5-limit JI version of Palestrina:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6080/ji0519.html

>Here's someone with a 5-limit JI version of Palestrina:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6080/ji0519.html

Nice!

-Carl

Hi Carl, I heard Gloria in both 12-EDO and 5-limit 19-tone version. The most practically useful aspect is the data on the pitchbends.

Can we have the pitchbend data on 5-limit, 22-shruti Indian system?

Thanks,
Haresh.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >Here's someone with a 5-limit JI version of Palestrina:
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6080/ji0519.html
>
> Nice!
>
> -Carl

Haresh asked:
>Can we have the pitchbend data on 5-limit, 22-shruti Indian system?

The format is semitones followed by pitch bend offset (pitch_bend
attribute in Scala).
For the actual MIDI pitch bend number, add 8192.

0: 1/1 0. 0
1: 256/243 1.-400
2: 16/15 1. 481
3: 10/9 2.-721
4: 9/8 2. 160
5: 32/27 3.-240
6: 6/5 3. 641
7: 5/4 4.-561
8: 81/64 4. 320
9: 4/3 5.-80
10: 27/20 5. 801
11: 45/32 6.-400
12: 729/512 6. 480
13: 3/2 7. 80
14: 128/81 8.-320
15: 8/5 8. 561
16: 5/3 9.-641
17: 27/16 9. 240
18: 16/9 10.-160
19: 9/5 10. 721
20: 15/8 11.-481
21: 243/128 11. 400
22: 2/1 12. 0

Manuel

Hello Manuel, thank you very much for the response. This piece of information is of great value.

Regards,
Haresh.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel Op de Coul" <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:
>
> Haresh asked:
> >Can we have the pitchbend data on 5-limit, 22-shruti Indian system?
>
> The format is semitones followed by pitch bend offset (pitch_bend
> attribute in Scala).
> For the actual MIDI pitch bend number, add 8192.
>
> 0: 1/1 0. 0
> 1: 256/243 1.-400
> 2: 16/15 1. 481
> 3: 10/9 2.-721
> 4: 9/8 2. 160
> 5: 32/27 3.-240
> 6: 6/5 3. 641
> 7: 5/4 4.-561
> 8: 81/64 4. 320
> 9: 4/3 5.-80
> 10: 27/20 5. 801
> 11: 45/32 6.-400
> 12: 729/512 6. 480
> 13: 3/2 7. 80
> 14: 128/81 8.-320
> 15: 8/5 8. 561
> 16: 5/3 9.-641
> 17: 27/16 9. 240
> 18: 16/9 10.-160
> 19: 9/5 10. 721
> 20: 15/8 11.-481
> 21: 243/128 11. 400
> 22: 2/1 12. 0
>
> Manuel

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>
wrote:
> Hi Carl, I heard Gloria in both 12-EDO and 5-limit 19-tone version.
The most practically useful aspect is the data on the pitchbends.
>
> Can we have the pitchbend data on 5-limit, 22-shruti Indian system?
>
> Thanks,
> Haresh.

in units of 1/4096th of a semitone? if so, you'll find the following
page useful, as the chart on the bottom has the figures for a nice
chunk of 5-limit ji, including the entire shruti system.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Carl, I heard Gloria in both 12-EDO and 5-limit 19-tone
version.
> The most practically useful aspect is the data on the pitchbends.
> >
> > Can we have the pitchbend data on 5-limit, 22-shruti Indian
system?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Haresh.
>
> in units of 1/4096th of a semitone? if so, you'll find the
following
> page useful, as the chart on the bottom has the figures for a nice
> chunk of 5-limit ji, including the entire shruti system.

whoops, here it is:
http://sonic-arts.org/dict/cawapu.htm

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:

> > > > in units of 1/4096th of a semitone? if so, you'll find the
following page useful, as the chart on the bottom has the figures for a nice chunk of 5-limit ji, including the entire shruti system.
whoops, here it is: http://sonic-arts.org/dict/cawapu.htm > > > >

Hello and thanks for the information.

100/4096 = 0.0244140625 cent.
If I have calculated correctly, 1 cawapu = 0.0244140625 cent.

[I suspect that this may not be sensitive enough to make shruti measurements].

My questions is:

How do we measure cawapu/cents as we move the pitchbend? A sensitive tuner? (For objective measurements). Which brand/model?

This is extremely important, because we can turn the pitchbend wheel to the exact required wxtent, to match the resulting pitch with the pitch of the singer's voice (for example). This would perhaps be the only objective way to study shruti values.

Thanks,
Haresh.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>
wrote:

> My questions is:
>
> How do we measure cawapu/cents as we move the pitchbend? A
>sensitive tuner? (For objective measurements).

wouldn't the midi stream tell you the nominal amount of the
pitchbend? you could run a test to check that, say, 4096 units of
pitchbend gets you to the pitch you expect, which you could verify by
ear (it'll either be right or be off by a very large amount, a
quartertone or semitone, if things aren't set up correctly) . . . and
then everything should be fine. manuel may have more details on this
for the particular brand of synth you're using.

> This is extremely important, because we can turn the pitchbend
>wheel to the exact required wxtent, to match the resulting pitch
>with the pitch of the singer's voice (for example).

okay . . .

>This would >perhaps be the only objective way to study shruti values.

why would this be more objective than to leave the synthesizer out of
it and simply analyze the recording of the voice itself?