1/6th comma was: [tuning] Re: The master scale?

In a message dated 4/9/03 5:11:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gwsmith@svpal.org
writes:

> 311 can do 1/6-comma meantone, so Mozart is taken care of.

I thought Mozart was well-tempered? More important question: who are the
personages associated with 1/6th comma meantone:

1. Telemann
2. Silbermann

anyone else? (besides Mozart)?

I'm starting to wonder how significant it really was. What are the
advantages over 1/4 comma?

best, Johnny Reinhard

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/9/03 5:11:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gwsmith@s...
> writes:
>
>
> > 311 can do 1/6-comma meantone, so Mozart is taken care of.
>
> I thought Mozart was well-tempered?

at the keyboard, yes. but mozart taught his string students to play
extended meantone of the 1/6-comma or 55-equal variety,
distinguishing sharps from enharmonically equivalent flats (the
latter were higher).

> More important question: who are the
> personages associated with 1/6th comma meantone:

or 55-equal?

> 1. Telemann
> 2. Silbermann
>
> anyone else? (besides Mozart)?

Johann Beer
Pier Francesco Tosi
Georg Andreas Sorge
Johann Joachim Quantz
Estève

> I'm starting to wonder how significant it really was. What are the
> advantages over 1/4 comma?

from mozart's perspective, it sits better over a 12-tone well-
tempered accompanying keyboard. it also has more incisive leading
tones.

> best, Johnny Reinhard

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:

> > More important question: who are the
> > personages associated with 1/6th comma meantone:
>
> or 55-equal?
>
> > 1. Telemann
> > 2. Silbermann
> >
> > anyone else? (besides Mozart)?
>
> Johann Beer
> Pier Francesco Tosi
> Georg Andreas Sorge
> Johann Joachim Quantz
> Estève

Where these all 55-et advocates? I thought that was just Telemann.
Poor old 311 is much better at doing a real 1/6-comma than an ersatz
55-equal, I fear, the price you pay for being a prime number.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
>
> > > More important question: who are the
> > > personages associated with 1/6th comma meantone:
> >
> > or 55-equal?
> >
> > > 1. Telemann
> > > 2. Silbermann
> > >
> > > anyone else? (besides Mozart)?
> >
> > Johann Beer
> > Pier Francesco Tosi
> > Georg Andreas Sorge
> > Johann Joachim Quantz
> > Estève
>
> Where these all 55-et advocates? I thought that was just Telemann.
> Poor old 311 is much better at doing a real 1/6-comma than an ersatz
> 55-equal, I fear, the price you pay for being a prime number.

the "comma" was said by these folks to equal three different things,
including the just syntonic comma, the just *pythagorean* comma as
well as the diminished second of the system. so we can't say with
certainty whether their tuning was 1/6-comma or 55-equal, just that
it was in the vicinity of both of them.