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Different music scales wanted for study

🔗joel <mango@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>

7/26/1999 9:45:22 PM

Hi, i would like to learn some more music scales.
For example i can give: Blues scale, Ionian, Dorian, and so on..
I would like to find more, so i can study them.
Any information would be appreciated, whether about books or websites or
anything.

Joel

🔗Afmmjr@xxx.xxx

7/27/1999 7:42:34 AM

Perhaps it is worthwhile to distinguish scales from modes. The blues is
modal. Scales are extraolated from larger systems. Blues are melodic
organically-related tone constellations, often with particular tendencies for
particular steps.

Ancient Greek modes - Ionian, Dorian, Lydian, Phrygian, etc. - were placed
together into a greater Greek System. This transformed the modal musics of
various peoples into the area into a 2-0ctave scale system, used primarily
for modualtion, and secondarily for variation. Be aware that the modal names
above have transformed beyond recognition several time throughout history.

Johnny Reinhard
American Festival of Microtonal Music
Afmmjr@aol.com

🔗Paul H. Erlich <PErlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

7/27/1999 9:47:06 AM

Joel wrote,

>Hi, i would like to learn some more music scales.
>For example i can give: Blues scale, Ionian, Dorian, and so on..

Check out ftp://ella.mills.edu/ccm/tuning/papers/modename.txt. For example,
under 12-tone, you will find,

3 2 1 1 3 2 Blues scale I

and

! G = Greek, M = Medieval (ecclesiastical)
1 2 2 1 2 2 2 G.Mixolydian, G.Hyperdorian, M.Hypophrygian, M.Locrian
2 2 1 2 2 2 1 G.Lydian, M.Ionian, M.Hypolydian, Bilaval That, Mela
Shankarabharanam, \
Major, Ghana Heptatonic, Peruvian major, 4th plagal Byzantine
2 1 2 2 2 1 2 G.Phrygian, M.Dorian, M.Hypomixolydian, Kafi That, Mela
Kharaharapriya, \
Raga Sriraga, Mischung 5, Eskimo Heptatonic
1 2 2 2 1 2 2 G.Dorian, M.Phrygian, G.M.Hypoaeolian, Bhairavi That, \
Mela Hanumatodi, Raga Asaveri, In: Japan, Maqam Kurd, Major inverse
2 2 2 1 2 2 1 G.Hypolydian, M.Lydian, Kalyan That (Yaman), Mela Mecakalyani,
\
Ping: China
2 2 1 2 2 1 2 G.Hypophrygian, G.Ionian (Iastian), M.Mixolydian,
G.M.Hypoionian, \
Khamaj That, Mela Harikambhoji, Mischung 3, Ching: China
2 1 2 2 1 2 2 G.M.Hypodorian, G.M.Aeolian, G.Hyperphrygian, Asavari That, \

The Medieval names are the ones commonly used today.

🔗joel <mango@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>

7/27/1999 10:13:42 AM

I see..

Well.. i guess i'm most interested in modes then.. because i guess most
scales i already know.. I know the Greek scales and the Oriental scales at
the least..
But, the problem i guess is that information regarding various modes is
very hard to find, anywhere..

Thanks for enlightening me about this though :)

Joel

>From: Afmmjr@aol.com
>
>Perhaps it is worthwhile to distinguish scales from modes. The blues is
>modal. Scales are extraolated from larger systems. Blues are melodic
>organically-related tone constellations, often with particular tendencies
for
>particular steps.
>
>Ancient Greek modes - Ionian, Dorian, Lydian, Phrygian, etc. - were placed
>together into a greater Greek System. This transformed the modal musics of
>various peoples into the area into a 2-0ctave scale system, used primarily
>for modualtion, and secondarily for variation. Be aware that the modal
names
>above have transformed beyond recognition several time throughout history.
>
>Johnny Reinhard
>American Festival of Microtonal Music
>Afmmjr@aol.com
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🔗Afmmjr@xxx.xxx

7/27/1999 10:45:44 AM

Modes are melodically related tones. The Indian raga is rightly a philosophy
of modes. This would be a good place to start serious modal research. Also
the maqam in the middle east is a system of modulating modes, at least in
Egypt.

The powers that pull together modes are indeed under-understood. Usually,
modes have a tradition behind them of generations involved with the mode.
There are West African musics that use idionsyncratic sets of tones,
practically found tones, from found materials for marimbas and other
instruments. Apparently, repetition increases believeability and acceptance
of a mode.

Some modes have particular steps with extraordinary characteristics (e.g.
vibrato on the fourth step, uproach from above - or below - the step).

Miles Davis revolutionized music with his emphasis on modal jazz after a
career in be bop. When jazz musicians hear microtonally linear as they do
for Miles' music they employ different techniqes and colorings. Mode is in
fact color, if nothing else.
Have you checked Groves?

Johnny Reinhard
American Festival of Microtonal Music
Afmmjr@aol.com