Re: Re: Just forget it tuning software

Dale
i have permitted your retrace through the limited Justonic crapola but I
cannot permit you downing the 27/20 :-)
pat

Dale Scott wrote:

> From: "Dale Scott" <adelscot@onr.com>
>
> Hrm, maybe I'm wrong, and C6 and Am7 should be tuned
> the same. 27:20 makes a bad 4th.
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Hm, okay. I guess calling 27:20 "bad" was perhaps a bit strong.
However, I do think a lot of people would find it to be somewhat
objectionable, especially if heard by itself. I think it would be fun
(and not too intrusive, since it's been slow around here recently)
to get a consensus on the list of whether 16:20:24:27 or 12:15:18:20
is the preferred tuning. Certainly either one could be used, depending
on the musical context. Also, if the chord is a 6/9 should the choice
be 16:18:20:24:27 or 36:40:45:54:60, i.e. is it better to have the 27/20
between the 6 and 9 or the 3 and 6 or does it matter?

D.S.

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> From: patrick pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>
> Dale
> i have permitted your retrace through the limited Justonic crapola but I
> cannot permit you downing the 27/20 :-)
> pat
>
> Dale Scott wrote:
>
> > From: "Dale Scott" <adelscot@onr.com>
> >
> > Hrm, maybe I'm wrong, and C6 and Am7 should be tuned
> > the same. 27:20 makes a bad 4th.

Dale i would not necessarily use it in a chord but more of a melodic sequence. It is definitely considered one of the main MA tivra notes and i encounter it in several raags i play.
Cheers
Pat

At Fri, 16 Jul 99 11:15:23 PDT, you wrote:
>
>From: "Dale Scott" <adelscot@onr.com>
>
>Hm, okay. I guess calling 27:20 "bad" was perhaps a bit strong.
>However, I do think a lot of people would find it to be somewhat
>objectionable, especially if heard by itself. I think it would be fun
>(and not too intrusive, since it's been slow around here recently)
>to get a consensus on the list of whether 16:20:24:27 or 12:15:18:20
>is the preferred tuning. Certainly either one could be used, depending
>on the musical context. Also, if the chord is a 6/9 should the choice
>be 16:18:20:24:27 or 36:40:45:54:60, i.e. is it better to have the 27/20
>between the 6 and 9 or the 3 and 6 or does it matter?
>
>D.S.
>
>----------
>> From: patrick pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Dale
>> i have permitted your retrace through the limited Justonic crapola but I
>> cannot permit you downing the 27/20 :-)
>> pat
>>
>> Dale Scott wrote:
>>
>> > From: "Dale Scott" <adelscot@onr.com>
>> >
>> > Hrm, maybe I'm wrong, and C6 and Am7 should be tuned
>> > the same. 27:20 makes a bad 4th.
>
>
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Pat!
I'm right behind you on this one! 27/20 and the 40/27 so help the melodic
tension that there puritan counterparts can't get it up for! The Persians are
ahead of both of us on the use of these intervals!

patrick pagano wrote:

> From: patrick pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>
> Dale
> i have permitted your retrace through the limited Justonic crapola but I
> cannot permit you downing the 27/20 :-)
> pat
>
> Dale Scott wrote:
>
> > From: "Dale Scott" <adelscot@onr.com>
> >
> > Hrm, maybe I'm wrong, and C6 and Am7 should be tuned
> > the same. 27:20 makes a bad 4th.
> >
>

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North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

Dale Scott wrote,

>I think it would be fun
>(and not too intrusive, since it's been slow around here recently)
>to get a consensus on the list of whether 16:20:24:27 or 12:15:18:20
>is the preferred tuning

I definitely vote for the latter in a Western context, where add6 chords are
generally stable sonorities. I also like Kami Rousseau's tuning,
14:18:21:24. Both 12:15:18:20 and 14:18:21:24 are saturated 9-limit chords.

>Also, if the chord is a 6/9 should the choice
>be 16:18:20:24:27 or 36:40:45:54:60, i.e. is it better to have the 27/20
>between the 6 and 9 or the 3 and 6 or does it matter?

We've discussed this chord quite a lot recently, and John deLaubenfels and I
believe these chords are, as Dave Keenan put it, "necessarily tempered".
They sound best in some kind of meantone temperament where all the thirds
and fourths are consonant. The best tuning using only simple ratios is
probably Pythagorean.