More Understanding and Happy 4th of July

Yep, it sure is hot. Woke up with a headache at 7 AM took 3 aspirin and
surfaced again at noon. Whew. I don't think I could have added anything on
any subject.

George is of course correct in his surmise. But it seems like this medium,
like so many others, needs to reinvent the wheel. It has been years now
since I, and many others, realized that it is tricky to communicate correctly
on the List.

There is a great game of finding hidden meanings in common phrases between 2
people: the literal, the intended said, the intended heard, the subconscious
meaning or subthemes, the subconscious reception based on past experiences,
intonation changes, etc. How many of us had a relationship breakup over the
telephone? No facial expressions lead to misunderstanding. On the Internet,
no intonation.

How ironic, no intonation available to communicate with other musicians and
music lovers. This is why Dan yearned for face to face communication. Even
written published essays communicate different things to different
individuals.

Thinks about it: music is a universal language? I think Math is the
universal language. Does music communicate? Yes, with a caveat: it is a
different communication to different recipients. This is not direct
communication either.

Re Julia's Perspective article, it is naive. It is difficult for anyone to
publish a theory of music that is not naive. Paul could try to measure on a
scale of naivete for theory manifestos. I am sure that Julia meant well,
believing that of most human beings. But she does not share the musical
languages that others are fluent with. My musical life flourishes with
improvisation and composition, with performance and production. It is a rich
and fascinating world we share and there are a myriad of perspectives. How
can one rule one superior to another? Isn't this like cultural hegemony?

Should one ridicule people who speak a language we do not understand, or
expect that they can and are speaking as we are, but with different phonemes
and intonation, etc.

So chill out as George is suggesting. Dan will likely visit back again once
he gets his packing and moving, etc., past him. I don't think anyone need
make a big deal about who comes and goes. This is actually a wonderful
freedom with which we are all welcome to participate.

best, Johnny Reinhard

Yep, it sure is hot. Woke up with a headache at 7 AM took 3 aspirin and
surfaced again at noon. Whew. I don't think I could have added anything on
any subject.

George is of course correct in his surmise. But it seems like this medium,
like so many others, needs to reinvent the wheel. It has been years now
since I, and many others, realized that it is tricky to communicate correctly

on the List.

There is a great game of finding hidden meanings in common phrases between 2
people: the literal, the intended said, the intended heard, the subconscious

meaning or subthemes, the subconscious reception based on past experiences,
intonation changes, etc. How many of us had a relationship breakup over the
telephone? No facial expressions lead to misunderstanding. On the Internet,

no intonation.

How ironic, no intonation available to communicate with other musicians and
music lovers. This is why Dan yearned for face to face communication. Even
written published essays communicate different things to different
individuals.

Thinks about it: music is a universal language? I think Math is the
universal language. Does music communicate? Yes, with a caveat: it is a
different communication to different recipients. This is not direct
communication either.

Re Julia's Perspective article, it is naive. It is difficult for anyone to
publish a theory of music that is not naive. Paul could try to measure on a
scale of naivete for theory manifestos. I am sure that Julia meant well,
believing that of most human beings. But she does not share the musical
languages that others are fluent with. My musical life flourishes with
improvisation and composition, with performance and production. It is a rich

and fascinating world we share and there are a myriad of perspectives. How
can one rule one superior to another? Isn't this like cultural hegemony?

Should one ridicule people who speak a language we do not understand, or
expect that they can and are speaking as we are, but with different phonemes
and intonation, etc.

So chill out as George is suggesting. Dan will likely visit back again once
he gets his packing and moving, etc., past him. I don't think anyone need
make a big deal about who comes and goes. This is actually a wonderful
freedom with which we are all welcome to participate.

best, Johnny Reinhard

Hi Johnny.

I'd love to know more about your opinion of the ideas in my paper, since I
consider you to be someone with far, far more experience and knowledge than I in
the history of microtonality and the various approaches. Surely you would have an
informative input. If you ever felt inclined to share your views with me, either in
this public forum or in private, I'd be very interested. If you prefer not to, then I'll
respect that, too. (Though in that case I am curious about what sorts of things you
are telling *other* people, such as my friends Mat and Christine. Something about
me not accepting other approaches to microtonality, or not accepting ethnic
music? Hmm...)

-Julia

--- In tuning@y..., Afmmjr@a... wrote:
> Yep, it sure is hot. Woke up with a headache at 7 AM took 3 aspirin and
> surfaced again at noon. Whew. I don't think I could have added anything on
> any subject.
>
> George is of course correct in his surmise. But it seems like this medium,
> like so many others, needs to reinvent the wheel. It has been years now
> since I, and many others, realized that it is tricky to communicate correctly
> on the List.
>
> There is a great game of finding hidden meanings in common phrases between 2
> people: the literal, the intended said, the intended heard, the subconscious
> meaning or subthemes, the subconscious reception based on past experiences,
> intonation changes, etc. How many of us had a relationship breakup over the
> telephone? No facial expressions lead to misunderstanding. On the Internet,
> no intonation.
>
> How ironic, no intonation available to communicate with other musicians and
> music lovers. This is why Dan yearned for face to face communication. Even
> written published essays communicate different things to different
> individuals.
>
> Thinks about it: music is a universal language? I think Math is the
> universal language. Does music communicate? Yes, with a caveat: it is a
> different communication to different recipients. This is not direct
> communication either.
>
> Re Julia's Perspective article, it is naive. It is difficult for anyone to
> publish a theory of music that is not naive. Paul could try to measure on a
> scale of naivete for theory manifestos. I am sure that Julia meant well,
> believing that of most human beings. But she does not share the musical
> languages that others are fluent with. My musical life flourishes with
> improvisation and composition, with performance and production. It is a rich
> and fascinating world we share and there are a myriad of perspectives. How
> can one rule one superior to another? Isn't this like cultural hegemony?
>
> Should one ridicule people who speak a language we do not understand, or
> expect that they can and are speaking as we are, but with different phonemes
> and intonation, etc.
>
> So chill out as George is suggesting. Dan will likely visit back again once
> he gets his packing and moving, etc., past him. I don't think anyone need
> make a big deal about who comes and goes. This is actually a wonderful
> freedom with which we are all welcome to participate.
>
> best, Johnny Reinhard