Re: snotty posts

Neil!
Just what is reason for posting such a thing. I am sorry you friend had
this experience but frankly it might say more about his own psychology than
ours. When ever I hear anyone put a group of people a being the same,
something rings of untruth. I cannot think of a more varied group of
individuals than the performers on these two nights! Maybe your friend
doesn't understand that performers sometimes can feel a bit vulnerable
after they perform. Also maybe your friend didn't present himself in a way
that was inviting. As far as the "L.A. boys" are concerned, there were some
women involved as I remember. Personally I remember talking to quite a few
members of the audience afterwards but we were over our alotted time and
had to pack up soon after the end. If it was during the concert, I had to
run things so I was distracted. As for talking about the tunings, it was
not the place. We were doing concerts, not lectures. We have already talked
about including lectures next year. But if he really wants to know, you can
give him my web address as well as my e-mail address and I will be happy to
answer anything he wants! I do it all the time as I play in the clubs.
Sometimes to very young musicians who know little but talented and
interested
The concerts were highly successful. We all had a lot of fun. We had
two nights! As for myself I've never sold so many CD's at any event. True
we had no press coverage, but the press covers little here. When they do no
one really pays attention. Its all word of mouth out here.
I'm sorry you weren't included in this years show, there just wasn't
room.
Just what are you really saying Neil!

Neil Haverstick wrote:

>
> I just met a fellow who went to the Microfest in LA in May, and he
> related a story which I want to pass along, about his perceptions of the
> musicians he encountered. Sadly, what he had to tell me doesn't make the
> LA boys look too hot. Basically, when this man attempted to chat with
> some of the performers after the show, he felt that they were
> uninterested in talking to him, and seemed rather elitist...he said they
> kept to themselves, and were not interested in talking about their music
> or the tunings involved. He said he left depressed, and with a bad
> feeling about the scene in LA. And this is a man who has a real interest
> in learning about the world of tunings, the type of guy who wants to be
> involved as a performer (he is a musician, with an involvement in
> Chinese music).
> Remember, this is his opinion, formulated on his experience at the
> Microfest...I don't feel he had any axe to grind; he genuinely was
> disappointed at the response he got. This bums me out immensely...first,
> elitism of any kind, in any field, sucks...second, I hate to hear of
> such an occurrence in the small world of microtones because we need all
> the help we can get to make this happen on a wider scale. And, if this
> dude was depressed, it's likely that others have had the same sort of
> experience as well. Too bad.
> Also, a smaller point...he said no one talked about the tunings they
> used, or any of the theory behind why they did what they did...he was
> interested in learning about what was happening, but came away with
> little new knowledge. I put this post up as a public service to my
> fellow microtonalists, so perhaps we can avoid alienating people in the
> future at our gigs...Hstick

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

Kraig Grady wrote,

>As for talking about the tunings, it was
>not the place.

Maybe Kraig's reluctance to talk about his tunings explains why his music is
described as using "sixteen or 32 notes rather than the usual eight" on this
webpage: http://www.forcedexposure.com/new/98sep1.html

!!!

Paul!
Yes, misinformation that I keep meaning to correct! I use the Eikosany more
than anything else. Chopi tunings carried out to 16 places. Erv's Slendro,
That's it!

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

>
> Maybe Kraig's reluctance to talk about his tunings explains why his music is
> described as using "sixteen or 32 notes rather than the usual eight" on this
> webpage: http://www.forcedexposure.com/new/98sep1.html
>
> !!!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

Paul!
Sorry I have to make one more comment about the below. First of all, I am
not reluctant to talk about my tunings which for the most part are Erv wilson's
tunings. To due them justice, I allow everyone to get it from the horses mouth!
That is what the Wilson Archive is. What more could anyone want! I have little
control over what others say. James Joyce refused to deal with the press in
general because as he said, "they were always in a hurry to misrepresent you".
Still I have always been willing to explain my tunings the best I can when
asked.
I want to clear up one last thing here about this hearsay snootiness. I
answered for the group of fine L.A. artists on the concerts. As far as I can
remember, It was not me that the person talked to. Maybe this person went to
the other night and talked to one of the out of towners. There are too many ifs
in the first place for such a thing to be posted.
I hate to say this. Ivor would spend most of his concerts talking as
opposed to playing, which I don't think worked, from the audiences point of
view. He had more to say personally than was able to come out in such a
presentation. Theroy was just one of them. But many thought that was all it was
about
For those who see in music only the interaction of fomal relationships, I
have the greatest pity in their "lost of soul" and poetic sense in art. That
our arts are treated in such a fashion merely points out these losses in our
society and civilization as a whole.
There are come strong differances between the microtonal music coming from
around this hemisphere. But not always, so lets try to keep the REGIONARIES
DISEASE to a minimum.

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> >As for talking about the tunings, it was
> >not the place.
>
> Maybe Kraig's reluctance to talk about his tunings explains why his music is
> described as using "sixteen or 32 notes rather than the usual eight" on this
> webpage: http://www.forcedexposure.com/new/98sep1.html

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

>

Kraig Grady sez:

> I want to clear up one last thing here about this hearsay snootiness. I
> answered for the group of fine L.A. artists on the concerts. As far as I can
> remember, It was not me that the person talked to. Maybe this person went to
> the other night and talked to one of the out of towners. There are too many ifs
> in the first place for such a thing to be posted.

Did this person that Neil *claims* to have been treatedso unkindly at the fest bug
people right before they went on?

A lot of performers need their space before the gig, try
to approach most and you'll get some kind of strange reaction.

> For those who see in music only the interaction of fomal relationships, I
> have the greatest pity in their "lost of soul" and poetic sense in art. That
> our arts are treated in such a fashion merely points out these losses in our
> society and civilization as a whole.

Good call!

> There are come strong differances between the microtonal music coming from
> around this hemisphere. But not always, so lets try to keep the REGIONARIES
> DISEASE to a minimum.

One has to note that this whole thread was started by Neil.When he's not writing
hype about himself, he's trolling for an
argument. From hawking a 12tet textbook and trashing
Harry Partch and La Monte Young a few years ago to
last winters flame wars with Pat and Dan.....

...chill out Neil. It only makes you look silly. Go work on your music.

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