Re: [tuning] Digest Number 1991

On 3/30/02 11:07 PM, "tuning@yahoogroups.com" <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:02:00 -0000
> From: "emotionaljourney22" <paul@stretch-music.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1989
>
> --- In tuning@y..., Gerald Eskelin <stg3music@e...> wrote:
>
>> Borrowing the *subdominant* from minor is not a pain. The "pain" occurs
>> because lowering the submediant creates an ambiguous and perhaps misleading
>> tritone with the supertonic (when it is also sounding). Your "powerful
>> drive" in this case does not resolve inward into a third. A ii6 chord nearly
>> always goes to a V chord.
>
> i think you'd be surprised as to how often it goes to the I chord.

Of course, I wouldn't. It's called a plagal cadence. Please don't argue
against what is most frequent by injecting the less frequent. It simply
confuses intelligent conversation.

> listen to some bach endings, or some jazz, or what have you. forget
> what your music teacher taught you :)

No one taught me the essential difference between dominant harmony and
subdominant harmony. I had to figure it out by myself. Have you?

Take c-d-f-ab and b-d-f-ab in the key of C (either mode): which one is
subdominant? Why?
>
> also, the borrowing often takes place in the context of a dominant
> chord -- the ninth of the dominant chord is very often flatted, even
> in a major key, to take advantage of the powerful drive the 2-b6
> tritone has to resolve inward into a third.

I have no problem with this statement. It simply has nothing to do with my
original point.
>
>>> perhaps we can leave it at
>>> that (as this is kinda off-topic)?
>>
>> I agree
>
> ok then -- any further responses should be directed to metatuning.
>
> -paul

I apologize for extending this here. It just pisses me off when you assume a
disagreement instead of asking for a clarification. Your responses
(arguments) simply demonstrate that you have no idea what I was talking
about.

Love,

Jerry

On 3/30/02 11:07 PM, "tuning@yahoogroups.com" <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:02:20 -0000
> From: "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: To Jerry and Paul, and also all: "High thirds"
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "emotionaljourney22" <paul@s...> wrote:
>
>> i'd love it if bob w. and others will listen to the latest 'jerry10'
>> example and tell us what they hear . . .
>
> What are we listening *for*?

What changes do you hear between the thirds in the JI triad (sounding first)
and the ET triad (sounding second)?

Jerry