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Ravel's Pavane in 19-ET!

🔗Herman Miller <hmiller@IO.COM>

2/25/2002 8:01:23 PM

http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/pavane-19.mid

I was going over some of the old experiments with Ravel's _Pavane pour une
infante defunte_, which was the precursor to the Warped Canon experiment.
The reason I abandoned the Pavane experiment was that it didn't work well
with anything other than meantone tunings. You always had to choose a high
A or a low A, and then if you picked a low A, sometimes you'd have to lower
a D as well. I probably could have worked out the details, but then I
discovered that Pachelbel's canon didn't have the comma problem at all.

Anyway, I was listening to some of those old experiments, and I really
liked the 19-ET version, so I finished it and put it up on my web page.

For comparison, here are a few other meantone versions.

http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/pavane-12.mid
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/pavane-26.mid
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/pavane-31.mid

I tried a porcupine version, but porcupine temperament exaggerates the
comma problem. Maybe a MIRACLE version might work (some of those chord
progressions would sound great with a real 7-limit approximation), but I'd
have to tune a bunch of notes by hand.

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🔗paulerlich <paul@stretch-music.com>

2/26/2002 1:21:06 PM

--- In tuning@y..., Herman Miller <hmiller@I...> wrote:
> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/pavane-19.mid

gorgeous! but what are those chords at 1:52 - 1:53?

> I was going over some of the old experiments with Ravel's _Pavane
pour une
> infante defunte_, which was the precursor to the Warped Canon
experiment.
> The reason I abandoned the Pavane experiment was that it didn't
work well
> with anything other than meantone tunings.

maybe that's a reason you *should* have a page for it! to
*demonstrate* the comma problem! and i love ravel!

> You always had to choose a high
> A or a low A, and then if you picked a low A, sometimes you'd have
to lower
> a D as well. I probably could have worked out the details, but then
I
> discovered that Pachelbel's canon didn't have the comma problem at
all.

but the point that most western music does needs to be emphasized.

🔗Herman Miller <hmiller@IO.COM>

2/26/2002 9:36:18 PM

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:21:06 -0000, "paulerlich" <paul@stretch-music.com>
wrote:

>--- In tuning@y..., Herman Miller <hmiller@I...> wrote:
>> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/pavane-19.mid
>
>gorgeous! but what are those chords at 1:52 - 1:53?

Possibly a misprint in the piano score. It sounds better with a B natural
instead of a B flat. I'll have to check the classical midi archive to see
if any of those versions are different than what I've got.

By the way, I also noticed that I had a G# in a couple of places that
should have been Ab (both G# and Ab are used in the original, so I had to
manually adjust the Ab's). So I put up a new version.

>> The reason I abandoned the Pavane experiment was that it didn't
>work well
>> with anything other than meantone tunings.
>
>maybe that's a reason you *should* have a page for it! to
>*demonstrate* the comma problem! and i love ravel!

Hmmm... I'll give it a try. Actually that might not be a bad idea.

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