Re: [tuning] Digest Number 1915

On 2/21/02 1:39 PM, "tuning@yahoogroups.com" <tuning@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:36:56 -0000
> From: "paulerlich" <paul@stretch-music.com>
> Subject: Re: Monz I-IV-V7-I page
>
> --- In tuning@y..., Gerald Eskelin <stg3music@e...> wrote:
>> On 2/19/02 6:29 PM, "tuning@y..." <tuning@y...> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've pretty much learned to enjoy the
>>>> melodic/harmonic tug of a seventh tuned toward the resolution
> pitch--even in
>>>> the lead voice. It's no more "illogical" than a leading tone in
> a lead voice
>>>> leaning up toward tonic--and that's done all the time.
>>
>>> but it's never found 27 cents different in the preceding chord --
>>> that's the point.
>>
>> Never? Never?? Whose "never" is that? If a JI seventh (tuned to a
> 2/3
>> dominant root) is 27 cents lower than a 2/3 subdominant root, why
> wouldn't a
>> JI sensitive ear want to go there?
>
> we're talking about the leading tone, jerry!!!!!!!!
>
Look again, Paul. We're (I'm) talking about both. When I say "seventh" here
I'm not referring to a leading tone, rather to the seventh of the V7 chord.

Scale step four presents a communication problem (unlike most others) in
that it is actually *two* scale steps using the same name. It sounds
extremely different (even in 12edo) when experienced in it's two primary
functions--IV and V7. When tuned flexibly, the difference is astoundingly
apparent, I think. In dominant harmony it tunes way lower than in
subdominant harmony.

That's what we're talking about, Paul!!!!!!!

:-)

--- In tuning@y..., Gerald Eskelin <stg3music@e...> wrote:
> On 2/21/02 1:39 PM, "tuning@y..." <tuning@y...> wrote:
>
> > Message: 20
> > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:36:56 -0000
> > From: "paulerlich" <paul@s...>
> > Subject: Re: Monz I-IV-V7-I page
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., Gerald Eskelin <stg3music@e...> wrote:
> >> On 2/19/02 6:29 PM, "tuning@y..." <tuning@y...> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I've pretty much learned to enjoy the
> >>>> melodic/harmonic tug of a seventh tuned toward the resolution
> > pitch--even in
> >>>> the lead voice. It's no more "illogical" than a leading tone in
> > a lead voice
> >>>> leaning up toward tonic--and that's done all the time.
> >>
> >>> but it's never found 27 cents different in the preceding chord -
-
> >>> that's the point.
> >>
> >> Never? Never?? Whose "never" is that? If a JI seventh (tuned to a
> > 2/3
> >> dominant root) is 27 cents lower than a 2/3 subdominant root, why
> > wouldn't a
> >> JI sensitive ear want to go there?
> >
> > we're talking about the leading tone, jerry!!!!!!!!
> >
> Look again, Paul. We're (I'm) talking about both. When I
say "seventh" here
> I'm not referring to a leading tone, rather to the seventh of the
V7 chord.

i know that, jerry! but when i said 'never', i was referring to the
leading tone!!!!!!!