ampersand (was: vanishing comma caper)

> From: paulerlich <paul@stretch-music.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: vanishing comma caper
>
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:
> >
> > h31^h41 = 34171875/33554432, Ampersand's comma. This is the basic
> > 5-limit comma of miracle, but if you object to miracle as the name
> of a 5-limit temperament, you could always call it ampersand.
>
> sounds good. anyone know who ampersand was, and what he talked about?

he never talked, except in meows.

Manuel and i had a discussion of this some time ago
in October 1998. if i recall, "ampersand" was the
name of someone's cat.

that person might have been a tuning theorist,
i don't remember . . . Manuel?

the discussion about ampersand's comma because it
was an interval that popped up as a result of the
lattice diagram i made for Margo's system here:
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/td/schulter/septimal.htm

in prime factors, ampersand's comma is [2 3 5]^[-25 7 6].
i can't really tell what it has to do with my small
lattice on that page, because it only shows a few
5^1 ratios. perhaps Manuel can explain?

i was curious about the name, also thinking it was
a person like paul did, and Manuel gave me some background
on it, but it doesn't seem to be saved on my computer.

it seems people will always get fascinated by that
name, so if i get the info i'll make a Dictionary page.

BTW, ampersand's comma is ~31.56728925 cents, a good bit
larger than most other commas, and quite close to the
72edo comma of 33&1/3 cents. so with 72edo's success
as a MIRACLE tuning, it's no surprise that Gene calls
the JI version "the basic 5-limit comma of miracle".

objection or not, the MIRACLE family of temperaments
already has a whole litter of offspring names for
subset tunings, so i say we call any 5-limit MIRACLE
tuning an "ampersand temperament". i think i like that
even more than studloco! :)

-monz

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--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
>
> > From: paulerlich <paul@s...>
> > To: <tuning@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:22 PM
> > Subject: [tuning] Re: vanishing comma caper
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:
> > >
> > > h31^h41 = 34171875/33554432, Ampersand's comma. This is the
basic
> > > 5-limit comma of miracle, but if you object to miracle as the
name
> > of a 5-limit temperament, you could always call it ampersand.
> >
> > sounds good. anyone know who ampersand was, and what he talked
about?
>
>
> he never talked, except in meows.
>
> Manuel and i had a discussion of this some time ago
> in October 1998. if i recall, "ampersand" was the
> name of someone's cat.
>
> that person might have been a tuning theorist,
> i don't remember . . . Manuel?
>
>
> the discussion about ampersand's comma because it
> was an interval that popped up as a result of the
> lattice diagram i made for Margo's system here:
> http://www.ixpres.com/interval/td/schulter/septimal.htm
>
>
> in prime factors, ampersand's comma is [2 3 5]^[-25 7 6].
> i can't really tell what it has to do with my small
> lattice on that page, because it only shows a few
> 5^1 ratios. perhaps Manuel can explain?
>
>
> i was curious about the name, also thinking it was
> a person like paul did, and Manuel gave me some background
> on it, but it doesn't seem to be saved on my computer.
>
> it seems people will always get fascinated by that
> name, so if i get the info i'll make a Dictionary page.
>
>
>
> BTW, ampersand's comma is ~31.56728925 cents, a good bit
> larger than most other commas, and quite close to the
> 72edo comma of 33&1/3 cents. so with 72edo's success
> as a MIRACLE tuning, it's no surprise that Gene calls
> the JI version "the basic 5-limit comma of miracle".

this makes no sense. the comma has to _vanish_ in 72-equal for this
whole thing to work! you're meowing up the wrong tree, monz.