Re: [tuning] TIBIA

> From: paulerlich <paul@stretch-music.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:48 PM
> Subject: [tuning] TIBIA
>
>
> now mathieu and monz and others may disagree because
> strict, extended-lattice ji to them is 'natural', it
> is perhaps 'inborn' or 'spiritually experienced'. but
> these are very often the same people who have *trained
> themselves* in ji, so they *expect* the intervals to
> come out the same way. such a viewpoint is no more open
> to the possibilities of the full universe of tuning
> systems than the locked-in-12 viewpoint we're all too
> familiar with

i wouldn't discount the cylindrical or toroid lattices
as being any less "natural". i just haven't had the
opportunity to explore them as well as the flat JI
lattices, and so can't say as much about them.

in fact, my interest in finity has to do with this.
indeed, i think it's often quite natural for listeners
to (at some unconscious level) w a n t to twist the
lattice into a more finite shape such as a cylinder
or torus.

> . . . and if you don't like the temperament
> of the chords in my piece, use adaptive-22 the john
> delaubenfels way (pending).

john's going to do a version of _tibia_? cool!
can't wait to hear it.

-monz

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--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
>
> > From: paulerlich <paul@s...>
> > To: <tuning@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:48 PM
> > Subject: [tuning] TIBIA
> >
> >
> > now mathieu and monz and others may disagree because
> > strict, extended-lattice ji to them is 'natural', it
> > is perhaps 'inborn' or 'spiritually experienced'. but
> > these are very often the same people who have *trained
> > themselves* in ji, so they *expect* the intervals to
> > come out the same way. such a viewpoint is no more open
> > to the possibilities of the full universe of tuning
> > systems than the locked-in-12 viewpoint we're all too
> > familiar with
>
>
> i wouldn't discount the cylindrical or toroid lattices
> as being any less "natural".

it's not about that, monz. you could have an open, infinite system in
which the basis intervals were tempered slightly, and the same
argument would apply.
>
> > . . . and if you don't like the temperament
> > of the chords in my piece, use adaptive-22 the john
> > delaubenfels way (pending).
>
>
> john's going to do a version of _tibia_?

no, i just meant the _way_ is pending . . . he can only ground to 12
notes now, but it would have to ground to 22 to do this right.