replies to TD 182

[Graham Breed TD 182.4]
>
> Ray Tomes introduced this concept, ooh, over a day and a half
> ago now:
>
>> I want to put forward the concept of the "Centre of Gravity
>> of a scale" <snip> [typo corrected]
>
> I think this is a useful concept in some situations. I notice
> from these Euler translations that have appeared on the web
> (sorry, don't have the URLs, look back a few digests) that he
> seemed to have the same idea.

My English translation of Patrice Bailhache's
_Music as Mathematics: Leonhard Euler_ is at:

http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/euler/euler-en.htm

Glad you mentioned it, because I've just added Professor Bailhache's
final corrections.

(except for one misplaced email... that's why I haven't said
anything about it yet...)

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[David Beardsley, TD 182.6]
>
> Maybe there should be a Rite of Spring for one hand piano?
> Wagner for rubber band?

I really need to dig out that _Plunderphonic_ URL.
Do a search on Altavista if you're really interested in
hearing wild stuff like this.

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[Ray Tomes, TD 182.12]
>
> The interesting thing about 4D space (or 6D with 11 and 13) is
> that there is a lot of it. Although most music drifts around
> quite a lot on the 2 and 3 axes it doesn't seem to on the
> 5 and 7 axes and these axes seem to have just a couple of
> notches rather than the full range getting used. That is why I
> think there is some room for inventiveness. However this is
> actually in the composing side rather than the tuning side.

I submitted a posting about this interesting idea a couple of
months ago, calling modulation along the 3 and 5 axes (the
kind we're used to hearing or implying) 'lateral modulation'
and modulation along the 7 and 11 (and higher?) axes 'vertical
modulation'.

The terminology is loosely based on tonal lattice diagrams,
since the 3 x 5 axes form a grid.

I've noted also in my book that older concepts of tonal
expansion were based on a lateral or horizontal expansion
of pitch resources, while La Monte Young is perhaps the
foremost explorer of the vertical expansion (using whole
groups of primes into the 200s).

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[Alex van Wey, TD 182.14]
>
> The silly thing about email is that a sly and funny remark
> looks identical to a snide and sarcastic one.

Once again I'd like to invoke Carl Lumma's great term for that:

[Carl Lumma]
>
> the lack-of-tone-in-speech email bug

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[Kraig Grady, TD 182.17, re: Kronos _Barstow_ transcription]

>
> Briefly we're here, then we're gone!-Partch

Touche'!

Awesome rebuttal Kraig - what else can I say?

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[Dave Beardsley, TD 182.23]
>
> one thing that has always bugged me about classical practice is
> that wide vibrato.
> Particularly vocalists.

I've always hated the extremely wide operatic vibrato.

I've also found out from listening to some ancient recordings
of opera singers that the application of this style and the
range of vibrato has increased dramatically during the 20th
century.

Mary Garden was praised by just about everyone around the
turn of the last century as the greatest opera vocalist around,
and I was stunned when I first heard her on a radio program.
There was hardly any vibrato in her style at all.
And I liked it too, especially for drama.

Same goes for Caruso, but the difference is remarkably noticeable
with Mary Garden.

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[Ray Tomes, TD 182.25]
>
> how do I get individual messages and still know the references?

The easiest way would be to subscribe again, this time
in Digest format, and just receive both versions each day.

Perhaps this would have to be on another account?

Mark Nowitzky would have to tell you if you can have two
subscriptions on the same account, or just try it and see what
happens.

[Ray]
>
> I am quite delighted by how many people are thinking along
> lines that are similar to mine. Over the previous decade I
> have found few people that understood what I was saying let
> alone other people thinking some similar thoughts.

I know exactly what you mean.

Many times here I've talked about how for so many years as
I worked in isolation, I thought I'd 'invented' lattice diagrams
and lots of other aspects of my theory.

Getting on the Tuning List has shown me that work like this
has been done before, and it's a delight to be able to argue
aspects of it with others who know all about it.

[Ray]
>
> I want to know whether this is considered a public forum
> (I would think so) and I can therefore quote material in this
> manner, or whether it is necessary to ask first.

I don't recall this specific question being asked before,
but I've asked publicly like this about quoting email addresses
on my website, and assumed the postings as public, considering
them to be published material once it's been sent out.

But it's always a nice courtesy to ask first :)

Joseph L. Monzo monz@juno.com
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/homepage.html
|"...I had broken thru the lattice barrier..."|
| - Erv Wilson |
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