Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Re: Masters Degree

continuing the discussion with Kraig:
>
>> i don't understand this. yes, learning music theory, ear training and
>> historical studies of periods in music history (in order to better
>> understand the music that one plays), helps to justify one's existence as
a
>> musician.
>
>All this is limited to European music for the most part. When including
music
>of other cultures you can be sure that they are paid way less that their
>european counterparts

I suppose that in Bali the gamelan schools teach extensively on Bach and
Beethoven. This is the west, after all, and I think we are entitled to
emphasize our own tradition.

>> >This is the same
>> >group that promoted pure ugliest as a standard.
>
>Serialism and related number games!

I still contend that serialism is destined to be a minor historical
footnote. Babbit may be the high poobah of serialism at Jiulliard, but I can
assure you that the hundreds of Asian girls that seem to make up the
majority of the students these days couldn't care less what the high poobah
is doing in his ivory tower, they just go right on playing Chopin Etudes
etc. A couple of years ago J. hired Corigliano who is more neo-romantic,
more high-profile and gets his operas performed at the Met.
(by the way -"related number games"? and this on the tuning list? yikes!)

>> >It is music for an upper class
>> >to snub down to the lower classes.
>>
>> bullshit. even Adorno wasn't this stupid. If anything, classical
musicians
>> have their heads so in the clouds that they're not even aware there are
>> "lower classes" (as you so condecendingly put it)
>
>Its the same thing and that is is purpose. Not only are they a upper class
but
>also for the most part cultural isolationist!
>At 75 dollars for a decent seat to a concert who can afford to go!
>

So where's the free audio samples on your website, O Ambassador?

>> One of the programs i have taught in at juilliard is the Music
Advancement
>> Program which is open to kids from inner city schools who come to
juilliard
>> for lessons and classroom instruction for free.
>
>Chump change!

Not to the many kids that have benefited from this program over the years.

But the money thing
>with these schools is really out of hand and so I have to go for the
throat,
>after all They are refusing to give people information if they won't cough
up
>the dough.

I don't see you giving your CDs away for free.

. This major movement occurs
>without even a footnote in most universities text This is not music of an
upper
>class and so will be ignored since it inspires no conversations over tea!

Where do you get this "class" nonsense from? It takes awhile for academia to
catch up with what is au courante. It also takes awhile for the wheat to be
sorted from the chaff before someone can write a book about what influenced
whom. There were plenty of second, third and fourth rate composers in
previous centuries but time has consigned them to oblivion (at least until
some graduate student in search of a thesis dreges them up). If you want
what's new you have to go hang out at things like the upcomming NY
microtonal music fest! (I can't wait for the all day marathon so I can meet
and hear all you tuning list denizens in the flesh!)

dante

ps- speaking of free audio samples, there are two songs on my punk band's
page:

http://www.users.interport.net/~dante/sewage.html

its not microtonal (except for maybe out of key singing/yelling!), but we
sure are "low class" hehehe.

Dante
I appreciate your answers-really

Rosati wrote:

> >All this is limited to European music for the most part. When including
> music
> >of other cultures you can be sure that they are paid way less that their
> >european counterparts
>
> I suppose that in Bali the gamelan schools teach extensively on Bach and
> Beethoven. This is the west, after all, and I think we are entitled to
> emphasize our own tradition.

Maybe you relate Europe to be your tradition. I don't think i honestly can
.This is the maybe a product of being on the west coast.
Unlike Bali we have the economic means to do otherwise. Do you think they would
pay them less if they did!

> >> >This is the same
> >> >group that promoted pure ugliest as a standard.
> >
> >Serialism and related number games!
>
> I still contend that serialism is destined to be a minor historical
> footnote. Babbit may be the high poobah of serialism at Jiulliard, but I can
> assure you that the hundreds of Asian girls that seem to make up the
> majority of the students these days couldn't care less what the high poobah
> is doing in his ivory tower, they just go right on playing Chopin Etudes
> etc. A couple of years ago J. hired Corigliano who is more neo-romantic,
> more high-profile and gets his operas performed at the Met.
> (by the way -"related number games"? and this on the tuning list? yikes!)

Yes it will be a footnote if for no other reason that academia has invested so
much in it , it can not turn its back on it even if it wanted to. and yes there
are those one this list that might just be playing with numbers

> >> >It is music for an upper class
> >> >to snub down to the lower classes.
> >>
> >> bullshit. even Adorno wasn't this stupid. If anything, classical
> musicians
> >> have their heads so in the clouds that they're not even aware there are
> >> "lower classes" (as you so condecendingly put it)
> >
> >Its the same thing and that is is purpose. Not only are they a upper class
> but
> >also for the most part cultural isolationist!
> >At 75 dollars for a decent seat to a concert who can afford to go!
> >
>
> So where's the free audio samples on your website, O Ambassador?

I haven't figured out how to do it! Can you help?

> >> One of the programs i have taught in at juilliard is the Music
> Advancement
> >> Program which is open to kids from inner city schools who come to
> juilliard
> >> for lessons and classroom instruction for free.
> >
> >Chump change!
>
> Not to the many kids that have benefited from this program over the years.

This kind of program no longer exist out here. even though these institutions
are making more!

>
>
> But the money thing
> >with these schools is really out of hand and so I have to go for the
> throat,
> >after all They are refusing to give people information if they won't cough
> up
> >the dough.
>
> I don't see you giving your CDs away for free.

I do quite often and on this list have traded with many with myself offering
more than I receive. Anyway they are not mine except for a few samples. I can't
afford to put them out myself.

> . This major movement occurs
> >without even a footnote in most universities text This is not music of an
> upper
> >class and so will be ignored since it inspires no conversations over tea!
>
> Where do you get this "class" nonsense from?

Look at the audience. look at the record bins and tell me what you see!

> It takes awhile for academia to
> catch up with what is au courante.

I thought they were the avante garde and presenting the newest to their
students!

> It also takes awhile for the wheat to be
> sorted from the chaff before someone can write a book about what influenced
> whom.

> There were plenty of second, third and fourth rate composers in
> previous centuries but time has consigned them to oblivion (at least until
> some graduate student in search of a thesis dreges them up). If you want
> what's new you have to go hang out at things like the upcomming NY
> microtonal music fest! (I can't wait for the all day marathon so I can meet
> and hear all you tuning list denizens in the flesh!)
>
> dante
>
> ps- speaking of free audio samples, there are two songs on my punk band's
> page:
>
> http://www.users.interport.net/~dante/sewage.html

Thanks I'll check it out since I like to hear what others are doing!

> its not microtonal (except for maybe out of key singing/yelling!), but we
> sure are "low class" hehehe.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
www.anaphoria.com

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