Re: Boring

Dave wrote
<I think maybe I missed your point. What is it you would have me stop
doing, or do differently?>

I'm only concerned that newcomers may perhaps not even bother investigating the
riches that JI and [electronic] harmonic timbres for themselves as a noted
tuning authority considers JI and [electronic] harmonic timbres to be "boring".
Hopefully this is not the case. Maybe I am being too sensitive and protective
[covering up tuning newbies in cotton wool ! : ) ].

Perhaps you could stick to the facts and allow people to assess your tunings
based on the sounds they create and the data excellent data you have presented
and continue to present.

By analogy If I was selling a type of car. Perhaps a copy of a Mercedes Benz
that was in all respects identical to a real one except alot cheaper and having
just a normal paint job rather than one with gold trim. It would be churlish of
me to call the real Mercedes old fashioned and say that the car that I was
selling was better. It would probably be more effective if I was to say that
"the Mercedes is an excellent car you should go check it out. But if you want
the same car for far less money and only a minor difference check mine out !"

<Aren't I allowed to use the words "interesting" or "boring". Surely
everyone either knows what I mean by that by now, or if not, will
assume that it is simply my personal preference.>

You may use any words you wish. I just think that it is more responsible to use
these words in reference to tuning systems you yourself have created rather than
bagging tunings that you don't prefer [especially when a term like "boring"
doesn't mean alot out side of a musical context].

<Or has peoples' perception of my expertise stepped over some line,
such that I can't have (fallible) personal opinions any more, and must
now spell this out every time?>

Not at all Dave. I am thankful that people like yourself are doing the important
work you are. I wish more people from other non music backgrounds would offer
their expertise like you have kindly done.

I have a question though.
If I go for a strict just guitar and still get errors of +-3cents, will those
errors be magnified once I go for a microtemperament ?

I have heard guitar technicians say that guitar players can adjust intonation
via finger pressure. Does this mean that microtemperament or strictly just will
sound the same and be always just in the hands of a player with a good ear ?

Justin White

--- In tuning@y..., "Justin White" <justin.white@d...> wrote:
>
>
> Dave wrote
> <I think maybe I missed your point. What is it you would have me
stop
> doing, or do differently?>
>
> I'm only concerned that newcomers may perhaps not even bother
investigating the
> riches that JI and [electronic] harmonic timbres for themselves as
a noted
> tuning authority considers JI and [electronic] harmonic timbres to
be "boring".

Well then you should be really angry at the "nutty professor", and
not at Dave Keenan, of all people, who gave us the rotating JI
dekany, among other riches.
>
> I have heard guitar technicians say that guitar players can adjust
intonation
> via finger pressure. Does this mean that microtemperament or
strictly just will
> sound the same and be always just in the hands of a player with a
good ear ?

Justin, wouldn't it be valuable to distinguish between "Strict JI"
and "Adaptive JI" in discussions like this? As I understand your
philosophy, Justin, you're interested in a form of strict JI that
Dave isn't even considering here. Sure, a microtempered guitar can
easily play vertical JI chords in the hands of a skilled player. Even
a 12-tET guitar can do that. But then we're dealing with adaptive JI
(which I favor anyway), rather than strict JI, where _all_ the
intervals, melodic and harmonic, are based on ratios. Justin, from
your comments, I take it you're interested in strict JI -- yes?

(Sorry to stir up trouble Dave, just wanted all the cards to be on
the table in this discussion).