Blackjack stuff...

I've been having connection problems, I can only
receive email. So this message will sit in my
out box until this weekend.

db

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Erlich <paul@stretch-music.com <mailto:paul@stretch-music.com>>

> "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@b... <mailto:davidbeardsley@b...>> wrote:
>
> > Without me giving this much thought, how are you going to
> > get from one end of the Blackjack Gtr. to the other?
> >
> > In 12 tet, if you play a scale from the low E to high E at 12th
> fret with
> > 4 notes to a string (slide on the half steps), you end up
> > at the high end of the guitar.
>
> A chromatic scale? A diatonic scale? Are you talking about staying in
> one position on the fingerboard, or shifting positions?

A 3 octave major scale with 4 notes on a string, slide on the half steps.

> I know that
> Catler's guitar doesn't have the same notes on all strings or in all
> positions . . .

Right. But then the Catler gtr isn't 12tet - is it?

> > You don't get there with the
> > Blackjack Gtr.
>
> The blackjack guitar doesn't have any traditional diatonic or
> chromatic scales.
>
> > Dave's posted chords but how about scales?
>
> We've talked about a number of scales within Blackjack . . . the 7-
> tone neutral-thirds scales, the "slendro" pentatonics, the decimal
> scales, my 12-tone subset . . . I think there are interesting 9-tone
> scales . . . of course we've discussed the hexanies . . . perhaps
> Dave Keenan would like to provide fingering charts for a couple of
> these?

> This guitar may be weird, but at least it repeats itself at the
> octave! If you really want something to mess with your head, try
> Bohlen's BP guitar!

I'll pass.

In another message:
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Erlich <paul@stretch-music.com <mailto:paul@stretch-music.com>>

> Seth Austen <klezmusic@e... <mailto:klezmusic@e...>> wrote:
> >
> > What is the tuning of the Catler guitar? Just curious.
>
> Pairs of adjacent open strings are tuned, from high to low,
>
> 4:3, 5:4, 27:20, 4:3, 4:3.

Maybe.

And why would you want to tune from
high to low. Very confusing. Just name
the fundamental and what the other strings
are tuned to.

And then Seth:

----- Original Message -----
From: Seth Austen <klezmusic@earthlink.net <mailto:klezmusic@earthlink.net>>

> > From: "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@biink.com <mailto:davidbeardsley@biink.com>>
>
> > As for the Blackjack tuning, I'll try it with nylon tie-on frets.
> > I don't know how long I'll keep them on, having an fretless
> > acoustic may be more fun.
>
> Yes, a fretless acoustic is lots of fun. I look forward to hearing your
> musical excursions in blackjack.

I've had an electric fretless guitar since 11/2000. It's a blast.

----- Original Message -----
From: Seth Austen <klezmusic@earthlink.net <mailto:klezmusic@earthlink.net>>

"David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@b... <mailto:davidbeardsley@b...>> wrote:

> > That's really gonna prohibit playing up and down the neck, I think.
> > The tuning of a 12tet guitar is a better place to start.
> > What makes the Catler guitar tuning more accessible is
> > his open string tuning.
>
> What is the tuning of the Catler guitar? Just curious.

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

Seriously...the most I can say is that it's tuned closely to 12tet.

> Also, I don't see
> anything wrong, at least in theory, of tuning in thirds... it's only the
> equivalent of one 12-tET fret difference.

Let's wait and see what the scales look like?

> Is there a way to try out blackjack, or an approximation of it, on a
31-tET
> instrument (3 or 4 course fretted zither)?

We could still tune synths. I should hook up my Proteus and tune it.

* David Beardsley
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on 8/18/01 4:30 AM, tuning@yahoogroups.com at tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:45:12 -0400
> From: "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@biink.com>

>> Is there a way to try out blackjack, or an approximation of it, on a
> 31-tET
>> instrument (3 or 4 course fretted zither)?
>
> We could still tune synths. I should hook up my Proteus and tune it.

I live in a synth free zone, approximations of the 31-tET will do.

Seth

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---- Original Message -----
From: Seth Austen <klezmusic@earthlink.net>

> > From: "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@biink.com>
>
> >> Is there a way to try out blackjack, or an approximation of it, on a
> > 31-tET
> >> instrument (3 or 4 course fretted zither)?
> >
> > We could still tune synths. I should hook up my Proteus and tune it.
>
> I live in a synth free zone, approximations of the 31-tET will do.

So how are those zithers coming along and when can we hear examples on line?

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

on 8/20/01 5:01 AM, tuning@yahoogroups.com at tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:14:30 -0400
> From: "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@biink.com>

>> I live in a synth free zone, approximations of the 31-tET will do.
>
> So how are those zithers coming along and when can we hear examples on line?

I haven't yet composed anything on the 31-tET beast, although I've used it a
bit for learning approximations of various just intervals, improvisations
and hands on understanding of meantone. I seem to resonate alot more with my
fretless guitar, and will hopefully get something down on tape soon.

In the meantime, I recently found a fretless banjo improv that I recorded
two years ago that is worth posting, and have burned a CD of it. The next
step in the process is to convert that to mp3, and upload. I should
hopefully get to that soon...

Seth

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klezmusic@earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Austen <klezmusic@earthlink.net>

>In the meantime, I recently found a fretless banjo improv that I recorded
>two years ago that is worth posting, and have burned a CD of it. The next
>step in the process is to convert that to mp3, and upload. I should
>hopefully get to that soon...

Looking forward to it....

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley