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[Drew Skyfyre, TD 158.7]
> The great part about Zappa's music is that though it's not
> microtonal ...<snip>

In general, that's true.

But there is a section in 'Lumpy Gravy' that sounds
like it was spliced in from a tape of a Partch piece.
I mean it - it's Partch, verbatim, on *his* instruments.

I no longer have my 'Lumpy Gravy' CD, so I can't pinpoint
which Partch piece it is, but someone out there who's a
fan of both should be able to.
(I think it was from 'Delusion of the Fury')

-monz

Joseph L. Monzo....................monz@juno.com
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Joe Monzo wrote,

>But there is a section in 'Lumpy Gravy' that sounds
>like it was spliced in from a tape of a Partch piece.
>I mean it - it's Partch, verbatim, on *his* instruments.

I've noticed that too. Emil Richards is listed as a percussionist on the album, but Partch is credited nowhere. Could Zappa really have written for Partch's instruments?

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[Paul Erlich, TD 160.7]
> Joe Monzo wrote,
>
>> But there is a section in 'Lumpy Gravy' that sounds
>> like it was spliced in from a tape of a Partch piece.
>> I mean it - it's Partch, verbatim, on *his* instruments.
>
> I've noticed that too. Emil Richards is listed as a
> percussionist on the album, but Partch is credited nowhere.
> Could Zappa really have written for Partch's instruments?

I really don't think this bit we're referring to is music
that Zappa composed.

It really sounds like a spliced-in tape of an actual Partch
recording to me. Zappa *was* doing a lot of musique-concrete
and special effects with tape manipulation back then.

But you're right that he doesn't mention Partch at all.

Joseph L. Monzo monz@juno.com
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/homepage.html
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| - Erv Wilson |
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🔗Daniel Wolf <DJWOLF_MATERIAL@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

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>From: Afmmjr@aol.com

David Rothenberg told me (years ago) that when he built a 31-tone per
octave
manual electronic keyboard (even more years earlier) Frank Zappa was one
of
the notables that came to see it. Ms. Carlos was another.

Johnny Reinhard
AFMM<

Are you still in contact with Rothenberg? It would be very valuable for
many of us to be able to read the 4th and 5th parts of his essay (which
were never printed). For that matter, a re-print of the entire paper would
be very handy -- Frog Peak, or Xenharmonikon, perhaps?, or even better, an
online version.

Daniel Wolf
FFM (Frankfurt am Main)

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David Rothenberg lives at the following address:

David Rothenberg
540 West 113th Street, #4-F
New York, NY 10025

the last telephone number I had for him was 212-662-8506

I'm sure he will be interested in your questions.

Johnny Reinhard
AFMM

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[Pat Pagano, TD 162.5]
> I think Frank was a bit more interested in Webern and
> quasi-serialistic extenuations than microtonality.

That may be true, but don't forget - Frank's favorite
composer was Varese, who was not exactly in the Webern/serialist
camp.

Varese didn't focus specifically on microtonality, but
he was exploring whole new universes of sound structures
- a far different approach from that of Webern, Boulez, etc.

Another thing to remember is that in the late 1960s Partch
had been living in Venice Beach and other places around LA,
where Zappa was based. It's possible that Zappa knew of
Partch's work and had a specific interest in it, especially
since they were in the same city at the time.

I'm pretty sure that Zappa swiped that bit from a Partch record.

Joseph L. Monzo monz@juno.com
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/homepage.html
|"...I had broken thru the lattice barrier..."|
| - Erv Wilson |
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🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

monz@juno.com wrote:

> Another thing to remember is that in the late 1960s Partch
> had been living in Venice Beach and other places around LA,
> where Zappa was based. It's possible that Zappa knew of
> Partch's work and had a specific interest in it, especially
> since they were in the same city at the time.

I understand later he got one of Stone guitars maybe in 19 but heard there
were problems.

>
> I'm pretty sure that Zappa swiped that bit from a Partch record.

Among the countless others, how can we take him seriously? Maybe he should
be considered the father of sampling. His humor seems to be a rip-off of
Partch too.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
www.anaphoria.com

🔗Patrick Pagano <ppagano@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

The countless other what. Zappa is the one of the most significant american
composers ever. I agree that both Partch and Zappa had a kinship in their
biting cynicism for the American Dream but that's all I'll grant ya. Yes I
would consider him a heavy in the sampling department--having his "rock group"
sample bits of stravinsky,penderecki, and even motown at a seconds notice
definitely predates the sampling era....I don't know if that's where you're
goin on this one but this whole discussion reeks of the Partch Cult trying to
claim Zappas brilliance from some 10 second clip. He did extensively use
marimbas though maybe someone should ask Ruth Underwood about this
Zappa/partch connection
P

Kraig Grady wrote:

> From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>
>
> monz@juno.com wrote:
>
> > Another thing to remember is that in the late 1960s Partch
> > had been living in Venice Beach and other places around LA,
> > where Zappa was based. It's possible that Zappa knew of
> > Partch's work and had a specific interest in it, especially
> > since they were in the same city at the time.
>
> I understand later he got one of Stone guitars maybe in 19 but heard there
> were problems.
>
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that Zappa swiped that bit from a Partch record.
>
> Among the countless others, how can we take him seriously? Maybe he should
> be considered the father of sampling. His humor seems to be a rip-off of
> Partch too.
>
> -- Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> www.anaphoria.com
>
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