HELP!!!

I need a simple definition of the 9-limit lattice diagram for my tomorrow
exam... I tried... but I can't explain it out clearly.

Can anybody help me... fastly !!!!

Thanks a lot !

Vincent-Olivier.

--- In tuning@y..., "Vog" <dunael@a...> wrote:
>
> I need a simple definition of the 9-limit lattice diagram for my
tomorrow
> exam...

EXAM? Are you serious? I never would have believed that this stuff
was actually being taught somewhere . . . I take it you're joking.

I tried... but I can't explain it out clearly.
>
> Can anybody help me... fastly !!!!

9-limit lattice diagrams are lattice diagrams in which each of the 9-
limit consonant interval classes:

3:1 (or 9:3)
5:1
5:3
7:1
7:3
7:5
9:1
9:5
9:7

is represented by a direct connection, and no other intervals are
represented by a direct connection.

9-limit lattice diagrams are not very common. There are two main
types:

Erv Wilson's, in which notes appear at multiple places in the lattice
(e.g., 3*3 is in a different place from 9 even though they're the
same note);

Dave Keenan's, in which some of the connectors "curve" so that they
can go around notes without touching them (e.g. 9:1 goes from 1 to 9
without touching 3) -- see for example
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/ErlichPentDec9Lattice.gif

Hope that answers your question -- let me know if you have any others.

:)

In fact I used it in a composition and I'll need to explain it to a jury of
composer that will judge my composition.

Thanks !

I think it should be ok... I fear to explain it in public because it's too
complexe to understand without knowing anything about it at first.

Anyway... (I maybe just too stressed ;o)) ehehe

Good day !

Vincent-Olivier.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : paul@stretch-music.com <paul@stretch-music.com>
� : tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Date : 29 avril, 2001 22:37
Objet : [tuning] Re: HELP!!!

>--- In tuning@y..., "Vog" <dunael@a...> wrote:
>>
>> I need a simple definition of the 9-limit lattice diagram for my
>tomorrow
>> exam...
>
>EXAM? Are you serious? I never would have believed that this stuff
>was actually being taught somewhere . . . I take it you're joking.
>
> I tried... but I can't explain it out clearly.
>>
>> Can anybody help me... fastly !!!!
>
>9-limit lattice diagrams are lattice diagrams in which each of the 9-
>limit consonant interval classes:
>
>3:1 (or 9:3)
>5:1
>5:3
>7:1
>7:3
>7:5
>9:1
>9:5
>9:7
>
>is represented by a direct connection, and no other intervals are
>represented by a direct connection.
>
>9-limit lattice diagrams are not very common. There are two main
>types:
>
>Erv Wilson's, in which notes appear at multiple places in the lattice
>(e.g., 3*3 is in a different place from 9 even though they're the
>same note);
>
>Dave Keenan's, in which some of the connectors "curve" so that they
>can go around notes without touching them (e.g. 9:1 goes from 1 to 9
>without touching 3) -- see for example
>http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/ErlichPentDec9Lattice.gif
>
>Hope that answers your question -- let me know if you have any others.
>
>:)
>
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--- In tuning@y..., "Vog" <dunael@a...> wrote:
> In fact I used it in a composition and I'll need to explain it to a
jury of
> composer that will judge my composition.

Cool! I'd be interested to know how you used it in your composition!

-Paul

--- In tuning@y..., paul@s... wrote:

> --- In tuning@y..., "Vog" <dunael@a...> wrote:
> >
> > I need a simple definition of the 9-limit lattice diagram for
> > my tomorrow exam...
>
> EXAM? Are you serious? I never would have believed that this
> stuff was actually being taught somewhere . . . I take it
> you're joking.

I think Vincent is probably serious. His school just installed
a 96-tET piano, so apparently academia is really taking
microtonality seriously in Montréal!

> 9-limit lattice diagrams are not very common. There are two
> main types:
>
> Erv Wilson's, in which notes appear at multiple places in the
> lattice (e.g., 3*3 is in a different place from 9 even though
> they're the same note);
>
> Dave Keenan's, in which some of the connectors "curve" so that
> they can go around notes without touching them (e.g. 9:1 goes
> from 1 to 9 without touching 3) -- see for example
> http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/ErlichPentDec9Lattice.gif

Vincent, if it helps, here is a lattice diagram of a 9-limit
Tonality Diamond, following my lattice formula, about halfway
down the webpage:

http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/lattices/lat-fren.htm

(And this is in French, which hopefully will make things easier
for you. If my translation sucks, you or any other French
speakers are welcome to make a better one and send it to me.)

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

Thanks Monz... I already get your lattice on an acetat to show during my
exam and be sure that your name appears over the graph and in my analyse
text :o))

Thanks.

By the way, of course microtonality is healthy in Montr�al... our two
teachers (very good, by the way) use microtonality since years ! So do I
:o))

-----Message d'origine-----
De : monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>
� : tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Date : 30 avril, 2001 15:11
Objet : [tuning] Re: HELP!!!

>
>--- In tuning@y..., paul@s... wrote:
>
>> --- In tuning@y..., "Vog" <dunael@a...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I need a simple definition of the 9-limit lattice diagram for
>> > my tomorrow exam...
>>
>> EXAM? Are you serious? I never would have believed that this
>> stuff was actually being taught somewhere . . . I take it
>> you're joking.
>
>
>I think Vincent is probably serious. His school just installed
>a 96-tET piano, so apparently academia is really taking
>microtonality seriously in Montr�al!
>
>> 9-limit lattice diagrams are not very common. There are two
>> main types:
>>
>> Erv Wilson's, in which notes appear at multiple places in the
>> lattice (e.g., 3*3 is in a different place from 9 even though
>> they're the same note);
>>
>> Dave Keenan's, in which some of the connectors "curve" so that
>> they can go around notes without touching them (e.g. 9:1 goes
>> from 1 to 9 without touching 3) -- see for example
>> http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/ErlichPentDec9Lattice.gif
>
>
>Vincent, if it helps, here is a lattice diagram of a 9-limit
>Tonality Diamond, following my lattice formula, about halfway
>down the webpage:
>
>http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/lattices/lat-fren.htm
>
>(And this is in French, which hopefully will make things easier
>for you. If my translation sucks, you or any other French
>speakers are welcome to make a better one and send it to me.)
>
>
>
>-monz
>http://www.monz.org
>"All roads lead to n^0"
>
>
>
>
>
>
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