Re: hook, line and sinker

From: Patrick Pagano
>I am not taking the bait this time. You already know that
Just Intonation is pure tuning and that Eq Temp is a
compromise. Temperments are yesterdays chicken salad.

While I'm sure it [the equal division of the octave] was
_and is_ someone's idea of a compromise...* 'It' sure ain't
mine!

Dan

*As far as stale comestibles go... I certainly CAN relate to
the zeal with which the hard-core JI faction takes it to
monopolistic intonational homogenization's of twelve tone
equal temperament. But when this results in some avatar of
constrictive inflexibility that culminates in an inviolable
physiological/talismanic philosophy of consonance both
independent of arbitrary standards of measurement and sacred
envoy of magical and miraculous effects (where 'free from
elements making for discord' holds 'agreement amongst
components' in contempt of definition) - I just can't
swallow.

"D. Stearns" wrote:

> From: "D. Stearns" <stearns@capecod.net>
>
> From: Patrick Pagano
> >I am not taking the bait this time. You already know that
> Just Intonation is pure tuning and that Eq Temp is a
> compromise. Temperments are yesterdays chicken salad.
>
> While I'm sure it [the equal division of the octave] was
> _and is_ someone's idea of a compromise...* 'It' sure ain't
> mine!
>
> Dan
>
> *As far as stale comestibles go... I certainly CAN relate to
> the zeal with which the hard-core JI faction takes it to
> monopolistic intonational homogenization's of twelve tone
> equal temperament. But when this results in some avatar of
> constrictive inflexibility that culminates in an inviolable
> physiological/talismanic philosophy of consonance both
> independent of arbitrary standards of measurement and sacred
> envoy of magical and miraculous effects (where 'free from
> elements making for discord' holds 'agreement amongst
> components' in contempt of definition) - I just can't
> swallow.

I think you misunderstand why some of us use JI.
1. The ability to modulate to keys with a different set of ratios. Why
modulate if you are going to have the same ratios!
2. The lack of ambiguity in intervals allow for more strongly defined
discords. dissonance no longer has to be ambiguous.
3. Allowing more types of scales with lesser notes.
4. It acknowledges that the inviolable
physiological/talismanic myth of Equality is absent from nature and is
undesirable for it homogeneous misunderstanding.
5. Purity and Equality cannot be achieved due to material limitations and
the both terms should be dropped for good.
-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
www.anaphoria.com

Kraig Grady wrote:
>I think you misunderstand why some of us use JI.

FWIW -- I actually wasn't addressing the structural
resources or technical reasons why one would (or wouldn't)
use/choose JI (or ET or any other tuning scenario...) at
all... I was attempting to address the (extreme) EXTRA
musical entanglements that can/do often accompany tuning
scenarios...

Dan

Ps As I guess (?) #4 is addressing 'compromise...' it should
be noted that I did say: "I'm sure it [the equal division of
the octave] was _and is_ someone's idea of a compromise..."