microtonal mp3.com spam #2

Hey folks,

I have some new pieces up at http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

An excerpt of Sonic Bloom from a live recording made at the
Knitting Factory, NYC and Yellow Star, a piece created
special for MP3.com. Stop by, give it a listen.

There's some older stuff at http://mp3.com/xouoxno you can check out
too.

db

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David,

This is FANTASTIC!!!

I love Yellow Star!!

The beautiful comma glide in the melody is just too incredible. Gave
me chills!

Keep this beautiful music flowing - you've got my attention. Spam all
you like!

Gratefully,

Jacky Ligon

P.S. Did you use your guitar as a controller for this? Do you sing?

--- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> I have some new pieces up at http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
>
> An excerpt of Sonic Bloom from a live recording made at the
> Knitting Factory, NYC and Yellow Star, a piece created
> special for MP3.com. Stop by, give it a listen.
>
> There's some older stuff at http://mp3.com/xouoxno you can check out
> too.
>
> db
>
> --
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> * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
> * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

--- In tuning@egroups.com, ligonj@n... wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/17592

> David,
>
> This is FANTASTIC!!!
>
> I love Yellow Star!!
>
> The beautiful comma glide in the melody is just too incredible.
Gave me chills!

Yeah. Dig this...

ligonj@northstate.net wrote:
>
> David,
>
> This is FANTASTIC!!!
>
> I love Yellow Star!!
>
> The beautiful comma glide in the melody is just too incredible. Gave
> me chills!

Thanks. The glide is from 18/17 to 17/16. 6 cents.

>
> Keep this beautiful music flowing - you've got my attention. Spam all
> you like!

Thanks.

> P.S. Did you use your guitar as a controller for this? Do you sing?

Sequenced with a mouse. ;)

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Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> > The beautiful comma glide in the melody is just too incredible.
> Gave me chills!
>
> Yeah. Dig this...

Thanks!

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--- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
>
> > P.S. Did you use your guitar as a controller for this? Do you
sing?
>
> Sequenced with a mouse. ;)
>

"Oblique Strategies" perhaps?

Jacky

ligonj@northstate.net wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
> >
> > > P.S. Did you use your guitar as a controller for this? Do you
> sing?
> >
> > Sequenced with a mouse. ;)
> >
>
> "Oblique Strategies" perhaps?

Cakewalk Pro Audio.

Ever see one of these pages?

http://noc.pue.udlap.mx/eno/oblique.html

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Jacky wrote,

>> The beautiful comma glide in the melody is just too incredible. Gave
>> me chills!

David wrote,

>Thanks. The glide is from 18/17 to 17/16. 6 cents.

David, I know this is your piece, but I think there might be come confusion
here. Coming right after the first three notes of the repeated melody, the
glide is from some sort of minor sixth to some sort of neutral sixth over
the low bass drone. It's clearly larger than 6 cents, which would be right
at the limen of melodic discrimination, and probably not any bigger than the
chorusing you've already got on that melody patch.

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:
>
> Jacky wrote,
>
> >> The beautiful comma glide in the melody is just too incredible. Gave
> >> me chills!
>
> David wrote,
>
> >Thanks. The glide is from 18/17 to 17/16. 6 cents.
>
> David, I know this is your piece, but I think there might be come confusion
> here. Coming right after the first three notes of the repeated melody, the
> glide is from some sort of minor sixth to some sort of neutral sixth over
> the low bass drone. It's clearly larger than 6 cents, which would be right
> at the limen of melodic discrimination, and probably not any bigger than the
> chorusing you've already got on that melody patch.

3/2, 1/1, 7/4, 18/17, 17/16.

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David wrote,

>3/2, 1/1, 7/4, 18/17, 17/16.

OK -- I was hearing the third harmonic of these notes. I wonder why the 6
cent shift is so easily audible?

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:
> David wrote,
>
> >3/2, 1/1, 7/4, 18/17, 17/16.
>
> OK -- I was hearing the third harmonic of these notes. I wonder why
the 6
> cent shift is so easily audible?

Timbral illusion perhaps?

Jacky

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:
>
> David wrote,
>
> >3/2, 1/1, 7/4, 18/17, 17/16.
>
> OK -- I was hearing the third harmonic of these notes. I wonder why the 6
> cent shift is so easily audible?

Because the notes sustain for so long, it gets imprinted in your ear.
When you hear the second note, your brain says "hey! this is a little
sharper!".

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"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> It's clearly larger than 6 cents, which would be right
> at the limen of melodic discrimination, and probably not any bigger than the
> chorusing you've already got on that melody patch.

And what exactly is the limen of melodic discrimination?

If people can't hear 6 cents, why would we need synths
with better than 1 cent resolution?

skiddy-boo-boo-bop.
db

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--- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
> "Paul H. Erlich" wrote:
>
> > It's clearly larger than 6 cents, which would be right
> > at the limen of melodic discrimination, and probably not any bigger than the
> > chorusing you've already got on that melody patch.
>
> And what exactly is the limen of melodic discrimination?

It's the smallest _melodic_ interval that is audible as a pitch change.
>
> If people can't hear 6 cents, why would we need synths
> with better than 1 cent resolution?

Because the limen of _harmonic_ discrimination is far less than 6 cents -- less than 2 cents, even,
in many circumstances.

Clearly, in your example, the melodic shift of 6 cents becomes audible for one reason or
another -- maybe it's the fact that you glide from one pitch to the other, in combination with the
chorus, I don't know.

Paul Erlich wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
> > "Paul H. Erlich" wrote:
> >
> > > It's clearly larger than 6 cents, which would be right
> > > at the limen of melodic discrimination, and probably not any bigger than the
> > > chorusing you've already got on that melody patch.
> >
> > And what exactly is the limen of melodic discrimination?
>
> It's the smallest _melodic_ interval that is audible as a pitch change.
> >
> > If people can't hear 6 cents, why would we need synths
> > with better than 1 cent resolution?
>
> Because the limen of _harmonic_ discrimination is far less than 6 cents -- less than 2 cents, even,
> in many circumstances.

Ah - 3/2 vs. the 12tet 5th.

> Clearly, in your example, the melodic shift of 6 cents becomes audible for one reason or
> another -- maybe it's the fact that you glide from one pitch to the other, in combination with the
> chorus, I don't know.

There is no chorus. I used a preset on the ms2000r and tweeked it.
Twiddled the res and cut off knobs. It sounds like the open oscillator
on my ARP Axe. And this is a model of that sound - I hear this sound
in electronica all the time. I'm tired of going for the optimum
patch for JI, I choose to go for what sounds good over some theory.

ohm,
db

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