CSOUND

Everybody's always TALKING about CSOUND, but, aside from Barry Vercoe
and, apparently, Prent Rogers, how many composers of "substance" are
really conversant with it?? Names, anybody??

________ _____ _____ _
Joseph Pehrson

moi... :)

The Acid Bach Suite has been realized as Csound (source available at:
http://www.parnasse.com/acidbach.zip).

And of course the microtonal Csound expert here known as Bill Alves
(he wrote the Csound book chapters on microtuning).

;-)

jeff
http://www.mp3.com/Jeff_Harrington

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <josephpehrson@c...>
wrote:
> Everybody's always TALKING about CSOUND, but, aside from Barry
Vercoe
> and, apparently, Prent Rogers, how many composers of "substance"
are
> really conversant with it?? Names, anybody??
>
> ________ _____ _____ _
> Joseph Pehrson

Well
i do not consider "substance" thee most appropoo but
i have been using Csound in my Harmonic series environments for about two
years
Using randomization on a set microtonal scale or "amount of pitches" as
which is apparent from the work
that i did with David Beardsley on "Ataraxya" and subsequently on "Ataraxya
to ecstasy". We --Darren Burgess , David Beardsley and myself chose
an "amount of pitches" in our scale --17/14, 17/13, 17/12 were featured
function notes in the drone. And while not immediately playable by us humans
Using Csound (via Cecilia on Linux) I was able to program precise harmonic
territories for us to "improvise" in.
I feel i am conversant enough in Csound now but it is a bit of a steep curve
at first.
Dante Rosati i know has done some wonderful pieces using Primes as well.

Pat Pagano, Director
South East Just Intonation Society
http://indians.australians.com/meherbaba/
http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/
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From: Joseph Pehrson <josephpehrson@compuserve.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:37 PM
Subject: [tuning] CSOUND

> Everybody's always TALKING about CSOUND, but, aside from Barry Vercoe
> and, apparently, Prent Rogers, how many composers of "substance" are
> really conversant with it?? Names, anybody??
>
> ________ _____ _____ _
> Joseph Pehrson
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you would simply adore Csound.
You can Dowload Direct Csound & Hubi's Loopback cable and use FTS to run
the DSP
funny enough FTS is also the abbrev for Faster Than Sound from ircam's jMAX

Pat Pagano, Director
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Pehrson <josephpehrson@compuserve.com>
To: <tuning@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:37 PM
Subject: [tuning] CSOUND

> Everybody's always TALKING about CSOUND, but, aside from Barry Vercoe
> and, apparently, Prent Rogers, how many composers of "substance" are
> really conversant with it?? Names, anybody??
>
> ________ _____ _____ _
> Joseph Pehrson
>
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Jeff Harrington wrote:
>
> moi... :)
>
> The Acid Bach Suite has been realized as Csound (source available at:
> http://www.parnasse.com/acidbach.zip).
>
> And of course the microtonal Csound expert here known as Bill Alves
> (he wrote the Csound book chapters on microtuning).
>
> ;-)
>
> jeff
> http://www.mp3.com/Jeff_Harrington
>
> --- In tuning@egroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <josephpehrson@c...>
> wrote:
> > Everybody's always TALKING about CSOUND, but, aside from Barry
> Vercoe
> > and, apparently, Prent Rogers, how many composers of "substance"
> are
> > really conversant with it?? Names, anybody??

In january 1999 I wrote "Canto sacro" a free chromatic counterpoint
using 24TET. I'd like to play it somewhere in future with vo, va and db
but at the moment the only version you could ear is a csound version. In
fact this is not a plain rendering of the acoustic score but is a simple
elaboration in the fields of timbre and reverberation.

I was and am a very naive microtonalist but I still love to ear it.

Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu

> Well
> i do not consider "substance" thee most appropoo but
> i have been using Csound in my Harmonic series environments
> for about two
> years
> Using randomization on a set microtonal scale or "amount of
> pitches" as
> which is apparent from the work
> that i did with David Beardsley on "Ataraxya" and
> subsequently on "Ataraxya
> to ecstasy". We --Darren Burgess , David Beardsley and myself chose
> an "amount of pitches" in our scale --17/14, 17/13, 17/12
> were featured
> function notes in the drone. And while not immediately
> playable by us humans
> Using Csound (via Cecilia on Linux) I was able to program
> precise harmonic
> territories for us to "improvise" in.
> I feel i am conversant enough in Csound now but it is a bit
> of a steep curve
> at first.
> Dante Rosati i know has done some wonderful pieces using
> Primes as well.

Well, if you buy "The CSound Book", there are quite a few compositions
realized with CSound, including one by a member of our list, Bill Alves! I
suspect the reasons you hear so little about composers using CSound are:

1. You don't hear all that much about electronic composers in general.
Today's "name" composers like John Adams, John Luther Adams, Aaron Jay
Kernis, Joan Tower, Judith Lang Zaimant, et. al., have chosen to write for
conventional musical instruments. Electronic instruments are used much more
heavily in rock music than in "classical" music.

2. CSound, even with the many fine user-friendly wrappers that are
available, has a steep learning curve. Getting musical sound out of code is
not something that composers tend to pick up easily. I've been a
mathematician/programmer first and a musician/artist second for most of my
life, so CSound is easy for me.

3. CSound, even on a fast computer with versions like Gabriel Maldonado's
Direct CSound, isn't really a real-time / performance tool. If you're a
studio composer, it's great, but if you an improviser / performance artist,
it's just not practical. Barry Vercoe has worked with Analog Devices to
integrate DSP chips with CSound for real-time performance, but aside from
that, it's a difficult task.
--
M. Edward Borasky, Borasky Research
znmeb@borasky-research.com
http://www.borasky-research.com/

If there's nothing to astrology, how come so many famous men were born on
holidays?

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Jeff Harrington" <jeff@p...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/17197

> moi... :)
>
> The Acid Bach Suite has been realized as Csound (source available
at:
> http://www.parnasse.com/acidbach.zip).
>
> And of course the microtonal Csound expert here known as Bill Alves
> (he wrote the Csound book chapters on microtuning).
>

Thanks, Jeff!

Ok, I see that here in the "additional" CD-ROM chapters....
__________ _______ __ _
JP

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "shreeswifty" <ppagano@b...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/17199

> Well
> i do not consider "substance" thee most appropoo but
> i have been using Csound in my Harmonic series environments

Hi Swifty!

I knew it wasn't appropoop, which is why I put quotation marks around
it!

Glad to hear you're using it though, and thanks for the
encouragement to begin...

________ ___ __
JP

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "M. Edward Borasky" <znmeb@b...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/17202

>
> Well, if you buy "The CSound Book", there are quite a few
compositions realized with CSound, including one by a member of our
list, Bill Alves!

Thanks, Ed...

Actually, I have it, but I'm "ashamed" to say I haven't gotten into
the compositions yet. It's been on my "to do" list for some time
now, but, instead I do grant applications, blah, blah, blah...

>I suspect the reasons you hear so little about composers using
CSound
>are:
>

OK... Well, that was my basic point... So, I'm glad it's being
confirmed. The great CSOUND composers are a bit "under the rug" at
the moment.

> 1. You don't hear all that much about electronic composers in
general. Today's "name" composers like John Adams, John Luther Adams,
Aaron Jay Kernis, Joan Tower, Judith Lang Zaimant, et. al., have
chosen to write for conventional musical instruments. Electronic
instruments are used much more heavily in rock music than in
"classical" music.
>

Uh huh... Well, I do know that Kitty Brazelton uses it some... but
this was my point, since I believe she really only uses it to get
certain effects and sounds that she likes... and the rest is MIDI..

So, I'm glad to hear that people like Harrington and Alves are going
"all the way" with it...

> 2. CSound, even with the many fine user-friendly wrappers that are
> available, has a steep learning curve.

I've enjoyed looking at the pictures...

Seriously, though, I DID use "Music 4" back in the dark ages, so
EVENTUALLY, I should be able to get at least SOMETHING out of this...

>Getting musical sound out of
>code is not something that composers tend to pick up easily. I've
>been a mathematician/programmer first and a musician/artist second
>for most of my life, so CSound is easy for me.
>

Surely, I could see that would be an advantage!

Thanks for the tips!

________ ___ __ _
JP

last weekend
became a bit more than making footprints at the entrance of the Csound-world
wrote a microtuningf oriented orc&sco like:

http://homepage.mac.com/sarigama/song1.txt

to start something 4
TXT2MUSIC=oil-ml
http://oil.isonfire.com/

@ the SaRiGaMa's Oil Vending Orchestra's site
http://i.am/sarigama

sco itself uses very few P(arameters) = only 4 (3 reserved by default)
so
am aimed to start something like
"writing different orcs 4 the same sco" contest thang

> Everybody's always TALKING about CSOUND, but, aside from Barry Vercoe
> and, apparently, Prent Rogers, how many composers of "substance" are
> really conversant with it?? Names, anybody??

BUYO-BUYO-IGOR------------------
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mp3s:
http://thismusic.ispopular.com

Hello everyone-(from a longtime lurker on the list)I recall the discussion a
couple of months ago about CSOUND, would anyone be able to postlinks for info,
FAQ, free downloads, etc.?Any responses will be much appreciated!Thanks,Chris

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>Hello everyone- (from a longtime lurker on the list) I recall the
>discussion a couple of months ago about CSOUND, would anyone be able to
>post links for info, FAQ, free downloads, etc.? Any responses will be much
>appreciated! Thanks, Chris

http://www.csound.org/
http://www.csounds.com/

Also see The Csound Book, available from there or amazon etc.

Bill

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