Arabic 24tet (was [tuning] Re: 22 guitar, tuning, MOS)

Kraig Grady wrote:

> Daniel Wolf wrote:
>
> > From: Daniel Wolf <DJWOLF_MATERIAL@compuserve.com>
> >
> > Kraig Grady wrote:
> >
> > >24ET is and never was used by the Arabs (and I don't believe ever will). <
> >
> > I'm sorry to say that instruments fretted to 24tet are to be found
> > throughout the near and middle east. Among musicians and scholars this is
> > not without controversy, but the phenomenon is a real enough.
>
> Where. I'll believe it when I see it. (I'm sure your right!) Then again what
> is played on it. The traditional repertoire wouldn't work. I have never found
> a recording using this scale.
> -- Kraig Grady

I would think that 24tet would be perfect for those 3/4 tones.
One could modulate to any key and the 3/4 tones would be
right there.

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David Beardsley wrote:

> I would think that 24tet would be perfect for those 3/4 tones.
> One could modulate to any key and the 3/4 tones would be
> right there.

The lack of a good pythagorean semitone would completely destroy the flavor of
this music for me. All this makes me really depressed. The Grid line mentality of
ETs leads to systems that are not capable of evolving. Anyway the best ET is 12.
As someone who has worked in just intonation, I have from the start modulated all
over the place. The Creation of the Worlds which you have a copy of shows the
possibly of continuously modulating to the point where there is no tonal center.
or the center is everywhere. Besides this to modulate to a set of keys that are
not the ideal (which is true in all cases of et) the new key can create a feeling
of a need to resolve. The whole idea that some keys are more restful and others
more brilliant are musically useful. The work of Boomliter and Creel I have to
admit would say that this tension exist even if you truly modulate and I have to
agree , but I find to modulate in the way I describe musically interesting and
useful. I refuse to be pent in to any tuning in the sense If I hear something I
will do it. The eikosany is Ideal for modulation and (serialist take note) is the
perfect for atonal or better said uncentered music. Modulation I feel is the one
thing that the west has to offer. Ptolemy pointed out the modulations of
attunement resemble those souls in crises of life. As the multinational takeover
and the petrol hostage stage deepens maybe we should all be modulating all over
the place. Otherwise maybe we are sticking our head in the sand!
-- Kraig Grady
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Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com> wrote:
>
> David Beardsley wrote:
>
> > I would think that 24tet would be perfect for those 3/4 tones.
> > One could modulate to any key and the 3/4 tones would be
> > right there.
>
> The lack of a good pythagorean semitone would completely destroy the flavor of
> this music for me. All this makes me really depressed. The Grid line mentality of
> ETs leads to systems that are not capable of evolving. Anyway the best ET is 12.

To clarify: I was really only thinking of Arabic music.
In fact I was imagining an Iranian John McLaughlin
skating around the fretboard. Hmmm...should he be acoustic or electric?
Let's make this one electric. Let's make three - two
guitarists and a 24tet bassist. Oooh, what would this sound like?
Has someone already done this?

> As someone who has worked in just intonation, I have from the start modulated all
> over the place. The Creation of the Worlds which you have a copy of shows the
> possibly of continuously modulating to the point where there is no tonal center.

OK. The Magic of the Sufi Inshad comes out of the CD
player - in goes The Creation of the Worlds. It's beautiful!

> The eikosany is Ideal for modulation and (serialist take note) is the
> perfect for atonal or better said uncentered music.

I'll have to look into it.

> Modulation I feel is the one
> thing that the west has to offer. Ptolemy pointed out the modulations of
> attunement resemble those souls in crises of life. As the multinational takeover
> and the petrol hostage stage deepens maybe we should all be modulating all over
> the place. Otherwise maybe we are sticking our head in the sand!

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