Non 12 serialism

Since the subject of serial composition is coming up again,how many composers are there who have worked with serialism in distinct non-12 systems?Know of(or heard)any completed works using serial techniques with microtonality?

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Mats,

When I used to experiment in this way many years ago, I have used up
to an 18 tone row. The same serial procedures that worked for the 12
cell also can be applied to an infinity of different pitch cells. It
was not uncommon to employ many at one time to order durations,
dynamics, pitch and overall structure. I abandoned using serial
techniques for writing from playing in the late 1980s, but still have
a klangfarbenmelodie addiction that I can't seem to shake. You don't
have to use serial techniques to do this. Perhaps I could share some
of this with the list if interested. And of course - there wouldn't
be a 12tET pitch anywhere in site!

Jacky Ligon

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Mats Öljare" <oljare@h...> wrote:
> Since the subject of serial composition is coming up again,how many
> composers are there who have worked with serialism in distinct non-
12
> systems?Know of(or heard)any completed works using serial
techniques with
> microtonality?
>
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--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Mats Öljare" <oljare@h...> wrote:

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> Since the subject of serial composition is coming up again,how many
> composers are there who have worked with serialism in distinct
non-12 systems?Know of(or heard)any completed works using serial
techniques with microtonality?
>
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> MATS ÖLJARE
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Well, we're clearly in Ben Johnston land with this one, are we not??

And it sounds like Ezra Sims uses it some, too, correct (??)
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Joseph Pehrson

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" wrote:

> http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/16093
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> --- In tuning@egroups.com, "Mats Öljare" <oljare@h...> wrote:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/16086
>
> > Since the subject of serial composition is coming up again,
> > how many composers are there who have worked with serialism
> > in distinct non-12 systems? Know of(or heard)any completed
> > works using serial techniques with microtonality?
>
>
> Well, we're clearly in Ben Johnston land with this one,
> are we not??
>
> And it sounds like Ezra Sims uses it some, too, correct (??)

Mats, I'm sorry I can't actually answer your question as to
*how many* microtonal serial composers there are. And Joe,
I've studied Sims's work quite a bit and have never seen any
reference in his writings to serialism.

But yes, Johnston is indeed a composer who has written serial
compositions that use JI tunings. Several of his early string
quartets (IIRC, the 2nd and 3rd are two examples) are in extended
Pythagorean or 5-limit JI tunings and use serial methods.

And to me the outstanding example of the genre is Johnston's
_6th Quartet_, which uses 11-limit hexads (a la Partch), one
otonal and one utonal in each 12-tone row. This is a great
piece about which I've posted here several times during the
past two years - check the Archives. I have begun work on
a webpage giving a detailed commentary on Elster's analysis
of it; after I return to California (some time next year?...)
it will be one of the first projects I finish.

-monz
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