hexany movie

Dave Keenan wrote,

>Ah. So if I don't put _all_ the lines in, will it only look like the donut
>(10-star-in-10-gon) in one position, not 12?

I believe you're right, though it still might be more than 1 out of 12, I
don't know.

>I'm on top of that. Notice how the hexany rotates about two axes at once.
>It rotates about the second one more slowly than the first. For each full
>circle about the first, it rotates about the second by the same amount that
>it turns about the first in one frame.

Oh -- I didn't notice that! If I made my hexany movie do that, it would be a
very big .mpg file.

>So what can you do with whatever tool you used to make that mpg. Can you do
>pseudo-3D projections of higher-D objects doing multiple rotations?

Obviously, if someone figures out the math to project it into 3-d, sure.

Oh, in trying to understand my own "die" program, I accidentally produced a
version of my movie that reflects how I once proposed, on this list, that
the 3-d triagular 7-limit lattice should look. In this version, the otonal
triads are filled-in triangles, while the utonal triads are left open. This
represents the idea that in the utonal triads, the consonance is due only to
the consonance of the three intervals (represented by the three line
segments surrounding the triangle), but the otonal triads, otonal "synergy"
makes the triads extra consonant (thus the area of the triangle is
filled-in): go to http://www.egroups.com/files/tuning/perlich/ and download
hexany.mpg.

I wrote,

>In this version, the otonal triads are filled-in triangles, while the
utonal triads are left >open. This represents the idea that in the utonal
triads, the consonance is due only to the >consonance of the three intervals
(represented by the three line segments surrounding the >triangle), but the
otonal triads, otonal "synergy" makes the triads extra consonant (thus >the
area of the triangle is filled-in): go to
http://www.egroups.com/files/tuning/perlich/ >and download hexany.mpg.

I added note-labels to this movie, since Dave said he didn't know how to do
that in Excel.

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/14791

> I added note-labels to this movie, since Dave said he didn't know
how to do that in Excel.

Paul... this is very nice, but the image only lasts a few seconds!
Is there a way to extend it?? Of course, I can *stop* it midway...
but that doesn't help much. The Excel version just kept rotating and
rotating which was nice...

JP

>Paul... this is very nice, but the image only lasts a few seconds!
>Is there a way to extend it?? Of course, I can *stop* it midway...
>but that doesn't help much. The Excel version just kept rotating and
>rotating which was nice...

What we need is a utility to make multi-level gifs from individual .bmp
files. Anyone know of freeware for this?

{Paul, you wrote...}

>What we need is a utility to make multi-level gifs from individual .bmp
>files. Anyone know of freeware for this?

I suspect what you are talking about is animated .gif files, and that can be done pretty easily. I don't know if there is a freeware program that will handle *all* the parts of this, but a quick check at NoNags (http://www.nonags.com/) I come up with:

Irfan View
http://www.irfanview.com/iview325.exe

A fairly well-known image viewer program that will convert between formats, i.e. you can do your work to a bitmap file (.bmp -- ugh) and convert to .gif

...Then...

Alchemy GIF animator (shareware)
http://www.alchemy-lab.com/products/agif/agif.zip

I've used this in the past, before I bought my own tools, but I recall that it would have enough horsepower to do what you want: put a series of gifs into a sequence and animate it.

Bear in mind that a lot of the graphics I've seen posted here are very large, are un-optimized, and I would hardly consider them candidates for making into .gif animations. But if you guys have time on your hands, go for it...

Cheers,
Jon
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Jon Szanto wrote,

>Bear in mind that a lot of the graphics I've seen posted here are very
>large, are un-optimized, and I would hardly consider them candidates for
>making into .gif animations. But if you guys have time on your hands, go
>for it...

Jon, here's an animated .gif I made that illustrates the 30-sided die Jon
Wild didn't believe in, transforming into my company's logo:

http://www.egroups.com/files/tuning/perlich/world2.gif

At 126k, I think it proves that the .gif approach is a good one, and
certainly I don't see a degradation in quality as in an .mpg approach.

Jon S.

Thanks for the download links. I'll try them when I can.

-Paul

Joseph Pehrson wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/14791
>
>
> > I added note-labels to this movie, since Dave said he didn't know
> how to do that in Excel.
>
> Paul... this is very nice, but the image only lasts a few seconds!
> Is there a way to extend it?? Of course, I can *stop* it midway...
> but that doesn't help much. The Excel version just kept rotating and
> rotating which was nice...

If your're using Windoze you can loop it in the Windows Media Player.

db

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

--- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:

> If your're using Windoze you can loop it in the Windows Media
Player.

Now if only we could add a soundtrack to the file that makes each
otonal triad actually
play as it lights up . . .

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
>
> > If your're using Windoze you can loop it in the Windows Media
> Player.
>
> Now if only we could add a soundtrack to the file that makes each
> otonal triad actually
> play as it lights up . . .

Is that a hint? Heh, heh. (Inside joke for Harmonic Entropy listers
only.) I just d-loaded a program inconspicuously called MPEGPlayer

http://softseek.zdnet.com/Utilities/Sound_and_Multimedia_Players_and_U
tilities/D_18165_index.html

which allows editing of MPEGs, including extraction and insertion of
audio and/or video. My purpose in getting it was to extract some
soundbites from that crazy Shalom.mpeg for my computer to get kosher
with. I think it could be used for legitimate purposes as well. :-)
I don't understand what hexanies are but if someone sent me a list of
triads in the proper order, I might be persuaded to try to make you
wish come true some time in the next few days.

David J. Finnamore

--- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/14857

>
>
> If your're using Windoze you can loop it in the Windows Media
Player.
>
> db
>
> --
> * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
> * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
> * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

This is an excellent suggestion, David. The rotating dreidals look
*MUCH* better in Windows Media Player...

Joe