sign off

Yes. In sad fact i must unsuscribe from the list.

Hello -

I'm signing off the list. Unfortunately, in Hungary I have to pay both for internet time and the local phone connection, and am billed for email by the byte. Receiving Paul Erlich's postings alone will cost me over ten dollars a month, and attachments can be very costly. If the tuning list wants to maintain the membership outside of North America (with its unlimited local phone and special-deals-for-internet access), some self-restraint with regard to message volume might be welcomed.

Daniel Wolf
Composer, Budapest/Morro Bay
djwolf@snafu.de
http://home.snafu.de/djwolf/

[Daniel Wolf wrote:]
>I'm signing off the list. Unfortunately, in Hungary I have to pay both
>for internet time and the local phone connection, and am billed for
>email by the byte. Receiving Paul Erlich's postings alone will cost me
>over ten dollars a month, and attachments can be very costly. If the
>tuning list wants to maintain the membership outside of North America
>(with its unlimited local phone and special-deals-for-internet access),
>some self-restraint with regard to message volume might be welcomed.

Daniel, sorry to lose you, and sorry to hear that your access is so
expensive. But I have to disagree with your implied rebuke of Paul's
posts, which I find extremely informative. Some are long, but IMO no
longer than is necessary to say what he's saying.

I'm sure that, over time, the costs will come down, assuming that the
gov't of Hungary allows the marketplace to work its wonders. Hope we'll
have you back then!

JdL

In losing Daniel Wolf (if in fact we do) we lose a valued ear and learned mind, two organs this list will always have need of. While I, too, hesitate to ask anyone to trim their *content*, it once again bespeaks the need for each and everyone to take the time to trim the useless quoting in replies, long signature files, and anything else that *isn't* part of the communication.

Because, as we can see in Daniel's situation, laziness on our parts isn't benign, but actually harmful; to ignore the costs of communication, in this sense, shows a lack of concern for others around the globe.

Let's hope both situations (Daniel's and ours) find resolutions.

Cheers,
Jon
`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
Real Life: Orchestral Percussionist
Web Life: "Corporeal Meadows" - about Harry Partch
http://www.corporeal.com/

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, John A. deLaubenfels wrote:
>[...] I have to disagree with your implied rebuke of Paul's
>posts, which I find extremely informative. [...]
>
>I'm sure that, over time, the costs will come down, assuming that the
>gov't of Hungary allows the marketplace to work its wonders. Hope we'll
>have you back then!

Hear, hear!

Of course I agree with you on the signal-to-noise ratio in
messages by Paul Erlich. I am posting this message to ask you
and everybody: please, refrain from matters extraneous, like
politicoeconomical. I turned red ;=) when I saw your message, but
let 's go on another list for that subject.

Best Regards,
- George K. anakreon@hol.gr

John A. deLaubenfels wrote:

> But I have to disagree with your implied rebuke of Paul's
> posts, which I find extremely informative. Some are long, but IMO no
> longer than is necessary to say what he's saying.

A hearty amen to that! The fat on this list is largely in the form of untrimmed Reply-button auto-copy, if you follow me. I don't mind scrolling by a long post on a topic that doesn't interest me at the moment, but it does get annoying to scroll past screens full of superfluous >'s. It's been said before, but please, it only takes a few seconds to delete all the copy to which you are not responding, whatever country you're writing from.

--
David J. Finnamore
Nashville, TN, USA
http://members.xoom.com/dfinn.1
--

[I wrote:]
>>I'm sure that, over time, the costs will come down, assuming that the
>>gov't of Hungary allows the marketplace to work its wonders. Hope
>>we'll have you back then!

[George Kahrimanis wrote:]
>Of course I agree with you on the signal-to-noise ratio in
>messages by Paul Erlich. I am posting this message to ask you
>and everybody: please, refrain from matters extraneous, like
>politicoeconomical. I turned red ;=) when I saw your message, but
>let 's go on another list for that subject.

Wow! A fraction of a sentence can do that? You must have missed the
flare-ups of extended, passionate, off-topic exchanges last fall. But
this IS the tuning list, so I plead guilty. How's this instead?:

I'm sure that, over time, the costs will come down, assuming that
unmentionable extraneous politicoeconomical forces don't prevent this
from taking place. Hope we'll have you back then!

JdL

I totally agree with Jon Szanto that it's a great shame
to lost Daniel Wolf from this list because of other posters's
imprudent copying of extraneous junk.

Mr. Wolf only posts occasionally, but his his posts are
invariably some of the most succinct and penetrating statements
on tuning theory that I see here. Let's keep the quotes
short and get him back!

(I'm sorry myself that my free email service provides extra
junk at the end of each of my posts.)

-monz

Joseph L. Monzo San Diego monz@juno.com
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/homepage.html
| 'I had broken thru the lattice barrier...' |
| -Erv Wilson |
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