Going off-line

Hi Folks,

I'm switching over to web-based access for the tuning list, meaning I'm
not going to be receiving the tuning list digests in email anymore and
will only check on the web when I have the time (which will probably not
be too often).

I still want to be involved with the tuning list, but my work and
personal projects are increasing in number and demands to the point
where I can't keep up with the 50+ emails/day of the tuning list, even
in digest form.

If you would like to involve me in a discussion on the tuning list
please email me directly to let me know the "Subject:" line for the
thread and I'll check it on the web page
( http://www.egroups.com/group/tuning ).

At work I'm getting involved in digital-audio-related ASIC (Application
Specific Integrated Circuit) design and verification in addition to the
digital-audio-related embedded software development I have been doing.

In my personal life I've just begun lessons with a Carnatic (South
Indian) classical vocal teacher [David B. -- I'll be able to better
answer your question about Carnatic vs. Hindustani classical music in a
few years :-)], I'm continuing to take Persian classical sehtar and
violin lessons, I'm continuing to do sound reinforcement and recording
for Indian classical music concerts here in Austin (TX, USA), I'm
helping my Persian music teacher produce a couple of CDs (one
Persian-influenced avant-garde jazz CD, one Persian classical CD), I
need to practice my Hindustani classical music with my tabla playing
friend more than I have been so that we can be ready for our next public
performance, I need to be more involved in my daughter's violin
practice, and I generally need several more hours in every day. (It
would be really great if I could get by without sleep.) :-)

Cheers,
Christopher

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Christopher J. Chapman" wrote:
> http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/13559
>
> ... and I generally need several more hours in every day. (It
> would be really great if I could get by without sleep.) :-)

I've been trying it for a couple of decades now. But it only
works for a little while...

-monz
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/homepage.html

"Christopher J. Chapman" wrote:

> I still want to be involved with the tuning list, but my work and
> personal projects are increasing in number and demands to the point
> where I can't keep up with the 50+ emails/day of the tuning list, even
> in digest form.

Uh-oh. Yet another person who can't take the volume
of email! How about starting a Harmonic Entropy list Paul?

db

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

David Beardsley wrote:

> Uh-oh. Yet another person who can't take the volume
> of email! How about starting a Harmonic Entropy list Paul?

I've always been against splitting the list in the past. However,
considering the nature of the harmonic entropy discussion, the number
of messages we've been getting this month, and the friction it's
causing, I think the time has come.

We can set up a new list on eGroups and abandon it when the
discussion's over, can't we?

Graham

>> Uh-oh. Yet another person who can't take the volume
>> of email! How about starting a Harmonic Entropy list Paul?
>
>I've always been against splitting the list in the past. However,
>considering the nature of the harmonic entropy discussion, the number
>of messages we've been getting this month, and the friction it's
>causing, I think the time has come.

Perhaps... the volume of mail is great, but how much of it is really
the harmonic entropy thread?

>We can set up a new list on eGroups and abandon it when the
>discussion's over, can't we?

Yup.

-Carl

OK Carl
c'mon
do you want me to count?
I think if we have specific answers to specific questions let alone the
weekly flame war...
that can easily be sent to private emails
in the last three days i have gotten over 200 emails from (tuning)
i opened about 5.
i think i am going to have to join Kraig
this list's focus is unclear and though i enjoy the banter and occaisonal
usefull post
it does not really seem to fit my needs anymore
can't we begin to maybe ALL agree on a TOPIC a week that we can all comment
on regarding
Tuning??? You know instruments.....synths, Guitars, tubular bells whatever
and everyone be able to at least know what is going on ??
I get 100 posts and finding the thread if I miss a day or two ...forget it

What do you folks think?
I think it would be nice as microthon approaches to have a unified good vibe
as i am hoping to put some faces and handshakes to the names i have seen and
really would rather not experience "artist syndrome"
my two centavos

cheers
Pat Pagano, Director
South East Just Intonation Society
http://www.virtulink.com/immp/video/
http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma <CLUMMA@NNI.COM>
To: <tuning@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:08 AM
Subject: [tuning] Re: Going off-line

> >> Uh-oh. Yet another person who can't take the volume
> >> of email! How about starting a Harmonic Entropy list Paul?
> >
> >I've always been against splitting the list in the past. However,
> >considering the nature of the harmonic entropy discussion, the number
> >of messages we've been getting this month, and the friction it's
> >causing, I think the time has come.
>
> Perhaps... the volume of mail is great, but how much of it is really
> the harmonic entropy thread?
>
> >We can set up a new list on eGroups and abandon it when the
> >discussion's over, can't we?
>
> Yup.
>
> -Carl
>
>
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--- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/13642

I generally don't like to disagree with David Beardsley... since I
know he will take his guitar and amplifiers and xcfsxcfscfdsdb me
with them...

But, I really think the volume of e-mails on this list testifies to
the virility and interest in it. I hate slow lists... where there is
one post per month!

I think Paul's "solution" works quite well. We have the "scroll
down" feature for Digest getters, the "delete" button for individual
e-mail getters... and the "little right arrow" for web posters.

Important tools at our disposal.

As a little conciliation to David, though, I would say that if we are
truly going to use these deletion tools, we ABSOLUTELY have to make
our post HEADERS as clear as possible.

I believe it was Christopher Chapman who advocated this some time
ago. Personally, I ALWAYS use it now. Even if I *think* I'm coming
up
with some kind of clever post title... with generally isn't so clever
after all... I always include the POST TOPIC in brackets like
[HARMONIC ENTROPY HI MOM].

That way... people can easily delete topics that disagree with their
digestion.... or quickly "scroll down" after they see the header...

I would advocate this rather than encourage "splintering" or
fragmenting into other lists. The variety around here is part of the
fun...
____________ ____ __ _
Joseph Pehrson

--- In tuning@egroups.com, Carl Lumma <CLUMMA@N...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/13648

[HARMONIC ENTROPY]
> >We can set up a new list on eGroups and abandon it when the
> >discussion's over, can't we?
>

I would tend to discourage this... since the Harmonic Entropy
discussion is, actually, pretty much "winding down..." with the
EXCEPTION of the conversation between Paul Erlich and Graham Breed.

I've been enjoying and learning by this conversation... but perhaps
if other people don't like it, it could also be done by private
e-mail... since it's pretty much getting "Breed up to Speed."

I'm not implying anything by that... personally I'll NEVER get up
to speed on the issue... so there. But at least Breed has a chance.

As for me, I'm still mezmerized by Breed's MIDI RELAY, so he's still
the "tea and crumpets" in MY book... regardless of what he does or
says....
__________ ___ __ __ _
Joseph Pehrson

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> --- In tuning@egroups.com, David Beardsley <xouoxno@v...> wrote:
>

> I generally don't like to disagree with David Beardsley... since I
> know he will take his guitar and amplifiers and xcfsxcfscfdsdb me
> with them...

Getting me confused with Ritchie Blackmore or Pete Townsend?

> Important tools at our disposal.
>
> As a little conciliation to David, though, I would say that if we are
> truly going to use these deletion tools, we ABSOLUTELY have to make
> our post HEADERS as clear as possible.
>
> I believe it was Christopher Chapman who advocated this some time
> ago. Personally, I ALWAYS use it now. Even if I *think* I'm coming
> up
> with some kind of clever post title... with generally isn't so clever
> after all... I always include the POST TOPIC in brackets like
> [HARMONIC ENTROPY HI MOM].

Thanks,
db

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

Joseph Pehrson wrote,

>I would tend to discourage this... since the Harmonic Entropy
>discussion is, actually, pretty much "winding down..."

I don't think it's winding down, as I'm about to actually calculate triadic
harmonic entropy for the first time. OK, I'm starting a new list.
http://www.egroups.com/group/harmonic_entropy.

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/13666

> Joseph Pehrson wrote,
>
> >I would tend to discourage this... since the Harmonic Entropy
> >discussion is, actually, pretty much "winding down..."
>
> I don't think it's winding down, as I'm about to actually calculate
triadic harmonic entropy for the first time. OK, I'm starting a new
list.
> http://www.egroups.com/group/harmonic_entropy.

Yes, and I have joined, and just posted the first two messages!

Check out the "fun" one.... "Question from Math Moron..."

Aren't you going to *LOVE* me over there!?
______________ ____ __ _
Joseph Pehrson

>OK Carl
>c'mon
>do you want me to count?

If you do, three dollars says there have been
more posts about posting than harmonic entropy
in the past three weeks. Don't forget to
count this one.

>I think if we have specific answers to specific questions let alone
>the weekly flame war...
>that can easily be sent to private emails

Agree 100%.

>can't we begin to maybe ALL agree on a TOPIC a week that we can all
>comment on regarding Tuning??? You know instruments.....synths, Guitars,
>tubular bells whatever and everyone be able to at least know what is
>going on ??

Let's go for it! There are all sorts of things to discuss. How to
build a Carillon (Darren, we haven't had an update in a while!), how
the new tunings function musically (looking forward to the new Denver
album, and kudos to Mats, Keenan and Kees for posting and discussing
musical examples!), how to make xenharmonic wind chimes for your ma
and pa, cool recordings that have interesting tuning stuff going on...
the sky's the limit...

-Carl

>>I would tend to discourage this... since the Harmonic Entropy
>>discussion is, actually, pretty much "winding down..."
>
>I don't think it's winding down, as I'm about to actually calculate
>triadic harmonic entropy for the first time. OK, I'm starting a new
>list.
>
>http://www.egroups.com/group/harmonic_entropy.

Good luck, boys! We'll be counting on regular summaries of
what you've discovered!

Sincerely,

A Member of the Tuning List

Carl Lumma wrote:

> Good luck, boys! We'll be counting on regular summaries of
> what you've discovered!

That would kind of defeat the point of having
SEPARATE lists.

db

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

Pat Pagano,

> can't we begin to maybe ALL agree on a TOPIC a week that we can all
comment on regarding Tuning??? You know instruments.....synths,
Guitars, tubular bells whatever and everyone be able to at least know
what is going on ??

Carl Lumma,

> Let's go for it! There are all sorts of things to discuss. How to
build a Carillon (Darren, we haven't had an update in a while!), how
the new tunings function musically (looking forward to the new Denver
album, and kudos to Mats, Keenan and Kees for posting and discussing
musical examples!), how to make xenharmonic wind chimes for your ma
and pa, cool recordings that have interesting tuning stuff going on...
the sky's the limit...

But the sky's the limit already, isn't it? What's the restriction on
this type of content as things stand? Post away. I mean it's
definitely nice to see all the suggestions Pat and Carl are making;
they all sound good, and hopefully they *will* inspire some to go
ahead and write about them... but if the tuning list adopts a menu
styled format, I'm a pretty damn finicky eater, and I'm pretty sure
that it won't agree with my digestion!

Anyway, the sky is the limit, and these are all fine suggestions -
post away.

--dan

agreed

Pat Pagano, Director
South East Just Intonation Society
http://www.virtulink.com/immp/video/
http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma <CLUMMA@NNI.COM>
To: <tuning@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 3:51 PM
Subject: [tuning] Re: Re: Going off-line

> >OK Carl
> >c'mon
> >do you want me to count?
>
> If you do, three dollars says there have been
> more posts about posting than harmonic entropy
> in the past three weeks. Don't forget to
> count this one.
>
> >I think if we have specific answers to specific questions let alone
> >the weekly flame war...
> >that can easily be sent to private emails
>
> Agree 100%.
>
> >can't we begin to maybe ALL agree on a TOPIC a week that we can all
> >comment on regarding Tuning??? You know instruments.....synths, Guitars,
> >tubular bells whatever and everyone be able to at least know what is
> >going on ??
>
> Let's go for it! There are all sorts of things to discuss. How to
> build a Carillon (Darren, we haven't had an update in a while!), how
> the new tunings function musically (looking forward to the new Denver
> album, and kudos to Mats, Keenan and Kees for posting and discussing
> musical examples!), how to make xenharmonic wind chimes for your ma
> and pa, cool recordings that have interesting tuning stuff going on...
> the sky's the limit...
>
> -Carl
>
>
> You do not need web access to participate. You may subscribe through
> email. Send an empty email to one of these addresses:
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the tuning group.
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mode.
> tuning-normal@egroups.com - change your subscription to individual
emails.
>
>
>

Dan
i am not suggesting constraints just topics that may span the entire list
You can always hit the delete as others have suggested if the menu does not
suit you :-)
cheers

Pat Pagano, Director
South East Just Intonation Society
http://www.virtulink.com/immp/video/
http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/
----- Original Message -----
From: D.Stearns <STEARNS@CAPECOD.NET>
To: <tuning@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Re: Going off-line

> Pat Pagano,
>
> > can't we begin to maybe ALL agree on a TOPIC a week that we can all
> comment on regarding Tuning??? You know instruments.....synths,
> Guitars, tubular bells whatever and everyone be able to at least know
> what is going on ??
>
> Carl Lumma,
>
> > Let's go for it! There are all sorts of things to discuss. How to
> build a Carillon (Darren, we haven't had an update in a while!), how
> the new tunings function musically (looking forward to the new Denver
> album, and kudos to Mats, Keenan and Kees for posting and discussing
> musical examples!), how to make xenharmonic wind chimes for your ma
> and pa, cool recordings that have interesting tuning stuff going on...
> the sky's the limit...
>
> But the sky's the limit already, isn't it? What's the restriction on
> this type of content as things stand? Post away. I mean it's
> definitely nice to see all the suggestions Pat and Carl are making;
> they all sound good, and hopefully they *will* inspire some to go
> ahead and write about them... but if the tuning list adopts a menu
> styled format, I'm a pretty damn finicky eater, and I'm pretty sure
> that it won't agree with my digestion!
>
> Anyway, the sky is the limit, and these are all fine suggestions -
> post away.
>
> --dan
>
>
>
> You do not need web access to participate. You may subscribe through
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emails.
>
>
>

shreeswifty wrote,

> i am not suggesting constraints just topics that may span the entire
list

OK Pat, my question is simply this: What's stopping you (or anyone
else) from doing this now?

Like I said before, I agree that the topics your suggesting are good
ones - so why don't you or somebody who's got something to say about
'em get posting! <good natured joke thing>

--dan

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "D.Stearns" <STEARNS@C...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/13692

but if the tuning list adopts a menu
> styled format, I'm a pretty damn finicky eater, and I'm pretty sure
> that it won't agree with my digestion!
>
>
If it's Tuesday, we'll know we're in

Huygens-Fokker Foundation

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/english/index.html

:)
________ ___ __ _
Joseph Pehrson

Ok folks, here is where the carillon is at.

Currently this instrument is nearing completion, which means I probably have
80 hours of work to go, after having invested about 300. Several key pieces
are complete:

1. 8 by 16 Matrix keyboard. (purely analog - just simple tactile swiches
mounted on a board with the required wiring.)
2. Junction box for routing of above wiring and supply of 15 volt power to
the solenoids.
3. Five 20 coil pickup assemblys, all hand wound with the aid of my
turntable(reved up to 600 rpm with a dremel tool). (yes those old turntables
still have a use!)
4. Junction box to route pickup output.
5. 99 course tuned 1/4" by 3/8" steel bars (within 1-2 hertz) Scale is 15
limit tonality diamond, normalized in a two octave repeating scale.

The following is what remains.

1. construction of boards to mount everything on.
2. Fine tuning (goal is within .2 hertz)
3. Assembly
4. Midification

Progress is slow mainly due to the addition of my son Ellery to the family
(www.acceleration.net/dburgess/index.htm for pics of him)

Progress is also slowed by my purchase of various synthesizers and software
tools, so I am partly seduced by the ease and convenience of the
microtunable synth, making a very time intensive flesh and bones instrument
harder to stay focused on.

Encouragement is gratefully solicited and appreciated.

Darren Burgess
Gainesville FL

Darren Burgess wrote,

> Progress is also slowed by my purchase of various synthesizers and
software tools, so I am partly seduced by the ease and convenience of
the microtunable synth, making a very time intensive flesh and bones
instrument harder to stay focused on.

Yes sir, I hear you. These are amazingly candid comments, and I think
they really touch on some developing dilemmas of the cyber age... The
carillon sounds like it's going to be awesome though, and I for one
can't wait to hear it in all its flesh and ringing bones glory!

keep up the good work,
--dan