FW: RE: [tuning] Consensus in North Indian Classical Music

Pat,

I'm not saying everything Danielou wrote is bogus, nor am I saying that his
system doesn't work as a personal interpretation, I'm just saying he made up
or over-generalized a lot of theory that he ascribed to the general body of
Indian musicians. For example, the prohibition on 7, seems to be a very
Ghanara-specific question.

Cheers,
Paul

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> Pat,
>
> I'm not saying everything Danielou wrote is bogus, nor am I saying that his
> system doesn't work as a personal interpretation, I'm just saying he made up
> or over-generalized a lot of theory that he ascribed to the general body of
> Indian musicians. For example, the prohibition on 7, seems to be a very
> Ghanara-specific question.

About a year ago I asked Marian Zazeela what the limit was
for Hindustani raga and she thought for a few seconds and said 7.
Warren Senders - in rec.music.indian.classical said
5. When I was involved with Michael Harrisons raga class
I always asked about how the raga was tuned. When I
encountered a 7 limit ratio and questioned it, he told me
that Ghanaras differ. Sounds good to me.

As far as Danielou, it's only one mans experience
with his teachers.

nada brahma,
db

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* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

David Beardsley wrote,

>Warren Senders - in rec.music.indian.classical said
>5.

Warren is a local musician who has taught singing to some of my friends.
He's a wonderful performer, and didn't know he knew anything about ratios.
I've always wondered, how can he tolerate singing raga with the 12-tET
harmonium (I've heard him sing both with and without it).

>When I
>encountered a 7 limit ratio and questioned it, he told me
>that Ghanaras differ. Sounds good to me.

>As far as Danielou, it's only one mans experience
>with his teachers.

Glad we agree on something, David!

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> David Beardsley wrote,
>
> >Warren Senders - in rec.music.indian.classical said
> >5.
>
> Warren is a local musician who has taught singing to some of my friends.
> He's a wonderful performer, and didn't know he knew anything about ratios.
> I've always wondered, how can he tolerate singing raga with the 12-tET
> harmonium (I've heard him sing both with and without it).

Someone was looking for books on raga in rec.music.indian.classical,
I suggested The Ragas of Northren India (by AD), he bashed it.
Somehow we got in a conversation and I asked about higher primes
like 7 and he dismissed it.

I've never heard him sing and totally missed him in NYC earlier this
year.

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm