Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning more food for thought

[Alex J Van Wey:]
> Will someone explain these symbols for me?
> I've been "lurking" on this list for about
> 9 months, and I don't remember ever seeing
> an explanation for what looks vaguely like a
> molecular model or archetecture.
>
> 4/3-------1/1
> ... ..
> . . . . .
> 5/3-------5/4------15/8------45/32
> /|\ /|\`. .,'/ \`.. .,'/
> / | \ / | \15/14/---\45/28/
> / 7/6-------7/4 \ | / \ | /
> /,'. .`.\ /,'. `.\|/ \|/
> 4/3-.---.-1/1-.-----3/2-------9/8
> . . . . .
> .. ...
> 15/8------45/32

This is the molecular design of one of the
healthy new scales we'll be feeding our pianos
from now on :-)

- Monzo
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🔗Patrick Pagano <ppagano@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

Can the molecular designer of the model please do one but leave out the
qualities from 5??

>
> > 4/3-------1/1
> > ... ..
> > . . . . .
> > 5/3-------5/4------15/8------45/32
> > /|\ /|\`. .,'/ \`.. .,'/
> > / | \ / | \15/14/---\45/28/
> > / 7/6-------7/4 \ | / \ | /
> > /,'. .`.\ /,'. `.\|/ \|/
> > 4/3-.---.-1/1-.-----3/2-------9/8
> > . . . . .
> > .. ...
> > 15/8------45/32
>
> This is the molecular design of one of the
> healthy new scales we'll be feeding our pianos
> from now on :-)
>
> - Monzo
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🔗Joseph L Monzo <monz@xxxx.xxxx>

> Can the molecular designer of the
> model please do one but leave out the
> qualities from 5??

Well, if you just remove from that diagram
all ratios having 5 as a factor, you're not
left with much:

7/6-------7/4
,' `. ,' `.
4/3-------1/1-------3/2-------9/8

Doesn't look too healthy, from a
harmonic standpoint - but melodically,
it's one rational interpretation of a
staple of the world's musical diet,
the pentatonic scale (actually with an
added "9th"):

1/1 - (9/8) - 7/6 - 4/3 - 3/2 - 7/4
A (B) C D E G

As a matter of fact, it makes a nice
basis for a blues scale.

Perhaps you wanted something more complex?

🔗David Beardsley <xouoxno@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

Joseph "Lattice" Monzo <monz@juno.com> writes:

>> Can the molecular designer of the
>> model please do one but leave out the
>> qualities from 5??
>
>Well, if you just remove from that diagram
>all ratios having 5 as a factor, you're not
>left with much:
>
>
> 7/6-------7/4
> ,' `. ,' `.
> 4/3-------1/1-------3/2-------9/8
>
>

I think Pat was making joke - feeding the piano hay
and excluding the five limit ratios relate to
La Monte Young.

feeding the piano hay = one of those Compositions from 1960
excluding the five limit ratios = the current version of the WTP tuning

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🔗Patrick Pagano <ppagano@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

Thanks David
at least someone has a sense of humour, jeesh.

David Beardsley wrote:

> From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
>
> Joseph "Lattice" Monzo <monz@juno.com> writes:
>
> >> Can the molecular designer of the
> >> model please do one but leave out the
> >> qualities from 5??
> >
> >Well, if you just remove from that diagram
> >all ratios having 5 as a factor, you're not
> >left with much:
> >
> >
> > 7/6-------7/4
> > ,' `. ,' `.
> > 4/3-------1/1-------3/2-------9/8
> >
> >
>
> I think Pat was making joke - feeding the piano hay
> and excluding the five limit ratios relate to
> La Monte Young.
>
> feeding the piano hay = one of those Compositions from 1960
> excluding the five limit ratios = the current version of the WTP tuning
>
> --
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> * xouoxno@virtulink.com
> *
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> *
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🔗Patrick Pagano <ppagano@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

Joe
please see d beardsley's post
I remove 6/5, 5/4, etc...
from all new scales I build and use 17/16 instead of 16/15 or 10/9
for the tuning scale I was referring to see K. Gann's article,"outer edge of
Consonance" in Sound and Light

Joseph L Monzo wrote:

> From: Joseph L Monzo <monz@juno.com>
>
> > Can the molecular designer of the
> > model please do one but leave out the
> > qualities from 5??
>
> Well, if you just remove from that diagram
> all ratios having 5 as a factor, you're not
> left with much:
>
> 7/6-------7/4
> ,' `. ,' `.
> 4/3-------1/1-------3/2-------9/8
>
> Doesn't look too healthy, from a
> harmonic standpoint - but melodically,
> it's one rational interpretation of a
> staple of the world's musical diet,
> the pentatonic scale (actually with an
> added "9th"):
>
> 1/1 - (9/8) - 7/6 - 4/3 - 3/2 - 7/4
> A (B) C D E G
>
> As a matter of fact, it makes a nice
> basis for a blues scale.
>
> Perhaps you wanted something more complex?
>
> - Monzo
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🔗Joseph L Monzo <monz@xxxx.xxxx>

[Beardsley:]
> I think Pat was making [a] joke

So you didn't catch my allusion to
a "staple of the world's musical diet"?

Actually, I only decided to go ahead and
post on this after I realized that this
scale (without the 9/8) was a subject I'd
considered in my book. Thought it was
worth doing.

[Pat Pagano:]
> I remove 6/5, 5/4, etc... from all new
> scales I build and use 17/16 instead
> of 16/15 or 10/9 for the tuning scale
> I was referring to see K. Gann's article,
>"outer edge of Consonance" in Sound and Light

Been there, done that. Actually it's one
of my favorite books I picked up in '98.
Dave and I were hanging out a lot in NYC
last year, and he turned me on to a lot of
stuff by Young. Looking forward to hearing
what you're doing with non-5 JI!

Guess you guys don't like my sense of humor :(

🔗Patrick Pagano <ppagano@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

No joe none of the sort
sometimes joking is misconstrued on the list
at least my poor ones
glad your down w/ LaMOnte --we should have a few things to talk about
I also have a personal request from Sri Genovese when you are in FLA
so forgive any misconceptions
i am looking forward to showing/playing you our non-five randomly generated
Just Comps
Please email me privately for Denny Message
Pat

Joseph L Monzo wrote:

> From: Joseph L Monzo <monz@juno.com>
>
> [Beardsley:]
> > I think Pat was making [a] joke
>
> So you didn't catch my allusion to
> a "staple of the world's musical diet"?
>
> Actually, I only decided to go ahead and
> post on this after I realized that this
> scale (without the 9/8) was a subject I'd
> considered in my book. Thought it was
> worth doing.
>
> [Pat Pagano:]
> > I remove 6/5, 5/4, etc... from all new
> > scales I build and use 17/16 instead
> > of 16/15 or 10/9 for the tuning scale
> > I was referring to see K. Gann's article,
> >"outer edge of Consonance" in Sound and Light
>
> Been there, done that. Actually it's one
> of my favorite books I picked up in '98.
> Dave and I were hanging out a lot in NYC
> last year, and he turned me on to a lot of
> stuff by Young. Looking forward to hearing
> what you're doing with non-5 JI!
>
> Guess you guys don't like my sense of humor :(
>
> - Monzo
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