RE: [tuning] Hot micro times at the AMC

Joseph wrote,

>Anybody remember this guy?? Was he on the Tuning List??

Adam Silverman was on the Tuning List a couple of years ago.

Joseph, is this a mailing list? Can I join? Would you forward my comments?

> Author: Jeff Harrington (jeff@parnasse.com)
> Subject: Unjustly accused!

>Ha... my comment was on classical musicians in general. Classical
>music when it's played without even tempered instruments is
>auto-just-tuned typically by musicians. When you hear a Beethoven
>String Quartet it's just-tuned!

I beg to differ with Jeff here. The majority of renditions of Beethoven
string quartets I've heard show virtually no deference to the just tuning of
chords.

> Author: Kyle Gann (kgann@earthlink.net)
> Subject: Cherished myth

> Good classical musicians may play in tune, but that does
>*not* mean that they play in anything approaching just intonation.
>It's often said that old, European string quartets play in just
>intonation, and if it was true, it hasn't been in decades. I have an
>experiment I do with music students, including at conservatories: I
>play a droneon G and ask them to sing a purely in-tune, beatless B.
>In
>every case, I have invariably gotten a pure, ET, 400-cent B. When I
>gradually lead them down 14 cents to the 5/4 B, they are surprised to
>learn there's a pitch "notch" there. How can they play in just
>intonation if they've never heard the interval in their lives?

I'm glad Kyle could dispell this myth. Gerald Eskelin reported virtually the
same phenomenon on this list. Jeff Harrington better recalibrate his beliefs
to reality!

>And there
>might be an exceptional string quartet here and there, but the belief
>that classical performers gravitate toward just intonation hasn't been
>true in my lifetime. You can tell just by listening.

Right, Kyle, though thankfully, performers of Renaissance music have been
gradually learning to gravitate toward the more just-like tuning appropriate
for that era.

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:
> Joseph wrote,
>
> >Anybody remember this guy?? Was he on the Tuning List??
>
> Adam Silverman was on the Tuning List a couple of years ago.
>
> Joseph, is this a mailing list? Can I join? Would you forward my
comments?

Hi Paul!

The AMC Forum is not really a mailing list, just an area within the
AMC' NewMusicBox webzine where you can post commentary...

The place you should go is this:

http://www.newmusicbox.org/forum/

I believe you have read the rest of this site, since you mentioned
some of it to me:

http://www.newmusicbox.org/index.html

In the meantime, I have forwarded your comments over there... but I
am certain they will value your opinions and comments if you post
directly... There is no necessity to "join" anything..

Of course, we must keep in mind that THIS MONTH is MICROTONALITY
MONTH... next month it will be something else...

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Joseph Pehrson

>
> Right, Kyle, though thankfully, performers of Renaissance music
have been
> gradually learning to gravitate toward the more just-like tuning
appropriate
> for that era.

Yeah, I should have added that I know a lot of the early-music groups
have returned to purer (or more interesting) tunings. The funny thing
is, some of the early-music people I've met tune to pure consonances
or
some version of meantone (in the case of keyboard music), but do so
intuitively, and can't really explain to me what tuning they're
using.
If I found someone who could give me specifics, I'd add that
information to my web page.