Re: [tuning] Digest Number 770

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:16:54 -0000, "Joseph Pehrson" <pehrson@pubmedia.com>
wrote:

>I understand the history of transposition, modulation and so forth...
>but are people really going to want to "modulate" in traditional (or
>even untraditional!) ways in non 12-tET systems? If so... who on
>this list has had experience with non-12-tempered ET's within the
>realm of transposition and modulation??

My piece Limp Off to School modulates several times using what
one could call, I suppose, "deceptive diatonic cadences". 19tet has
a large and small minor third, and you can use their "interchangeably"
to modulate to uniquely 19tet key centers through what sounds like
an ordinary diatonic cadence. LOtS uses the 1-6-5-1 cadence a lot,
but the 6 is the small minor third down from the 1, so you end up a
small half step sharp of the original key afterward. Also, the section
whose words begin "no gym class..." moves up two frets, down
three frets, up two frets, but this sounds almost like movement up
and down a whole step.
Citified Notions has sections that sound like motion up and down
a fourth, but they are really up and down a large major third. Yeah,
I am intentionally using these "deceptive" cadences knowing their effect
is in part based on 12tet expectations, but that's part of the fun, and
they really do have their own logic and beauty, aside from their
"deceptive diatonicity".
There. I got to make up some new terms and plug my stuff at the
same time. Thanks for asking!

John Starrett wrote,

> Yeah, I am intentionally using these "deceptive" cadences knowing
their effect is in part based on 12tet expectations, but that's part
of the fun, and they really do have their own logic and beauty, aside
from their "deceptive diatonicity".

Hooray for J. Starrett! Perfect, straightforward examples beautifully
executed and explained; an unassailable argument for the potential of
"old wine in new bottles" if you ask me!

Dan

John,

I'll plug it too!! Just as I told Neil, your music is fantastic! Keep
up the wonderful work!

Good Day,

Jacky Ligon

--- In tuning@egroups.com, John Starrett <jstarret@c...> wrote:
>
> My piece Limp Off to School

> Citified Notions has sections that sound like motion up and down
> a fourth, but they are really up and down a large major third.

> [John Starrett]
> http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/12111
>
> My piece Limp Off to School modulates several times using what
> one could call, I suppose, "deceptive diatonic cadences". 19tet has
> a large and small minor third, and you can use their
> "interchangeably" to modulate to uniquely 19tet key centers
> through what sounds like an ordinary diatonic cadence.
>
> ... Yeah, I am intentionally using these "deceptive" cadences
> knowing their effect is in part based on 12tet expectations, but
> that's part of the fun, and they really do have their own logic
> and beauty, aside from their "deceptive diatonicity".
> There. I got to make up some new terms and plug my stuff at
> the same time. Thanks for asking!

Hi John,

I really love your two pieces on _tuning@eartha.mills_! I know
exactly where you're coming from: a big part of the reason I
like to compose microtonal stuff is to have fun with the
listener's 12-tET expectations.

It's great that you're able to blend such 'theoretical' technique
with such fun-and-games subject matter!

And I've included 'deceptive diatonicity' in the Dictionary:

http://www.ixpres.com/interval/dict/deceptivediatonicity.htm

-monz
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/homepage.html

--- In tuning@egroups.com, " Monz" <MONZ@J...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/12142

> Hi John,
>
>
> I really love your two pieces on _tuning@e..._! I know
> exactly where you're coming from: a big part of the reason I
> like to compose microtonal stuff is to have fun with the
> listener's 12-tET expectations.
>
> It's great that you're able to blend such 'theoretical' technique
> with such fun-and-games subject matter!

I, too, have enjoyed John Starrett's work, and have mentioned it to
him privately, off list...
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Joseph Pehrson