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David Beardsley wrote:

> David Beardsley wrote:
>
> > Lots of talk about ratios, words that numbers,
>
> I wanted to write words that represent numbers.
> Sorry 'bout the typo.
>
>

That's why I got on the subject of the Pythagorean number mysticism to begin with. Because the
Hurrian tablet (that is supposed to be the world's oldest notation but which Monz says really
isn't) was reported to have the same number of syllables as notes in the notation. That got me
to thinking of the very elaborate symbolism of some of the philosophers regarding their books
(Schopenhauer, Apuleius, Moses, Nietzsche, etc). Many of them use Pythagorean and number
symbols intentionally related to musical ideas. So I said the joke about the universe doing
that, too (which it is). And so began the numerology chats. A very good friend of mine can
hear the mystical/celestial music of creation because he is a very good mystic and yoga
master. I've heard that music on several occasions and it sucks for the most part. I think
that its better if theorists just look at scientific data and try to wrestle the music out THAT
way----as it translates to the human mind and imagination. What is actually in the
mystic/celestial radiospace isn't that impressive----the planets and quantum wave atoms don't
play very well. I might have not edited out a segment where I say that standard Mozart and
Bach are better at translating this vision of the ordered cosmos or Arvo Part's "Miserere". I
think that Monz is going to try to do another one. One day someone will come up with one that
is convincing and really speaks the music of the spheres and quantum wave music of the atoms.
Till then, there is always the synergy of drugs and music to lift the mind out to the reaches
of the universe---abstract or otherwise. Also, I think that Arvo Part's "Miserere" is one hell
of a cosmic vision. Come to think of it, Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung" is about the cosmic
music. And Holst's not so well written "The Planets". The best modern writer on this music
religion is Schopenhauer. His two volumes of The World as Will and Representation (Payne
translation) represents the summation of the mystical tradition regarding the harmonices
mundi. Nietzsche was the first person to test it. He died insane. But then again,
Nietzsche's piano music is terrible (there's even a CD on it). Maybe Monz won't go insane if
he starts to hear the atoms and planets talking/singing. I myself also didn't do so well when
I started to hear that humming. The universe doesn't like me. That's Wagner's image, that
Siegfried slays Fafner and drinks of that dragon's blood and then hears the music of creation.
I think that dragon's blood might be poisonous and isn't such a good drink. Maybe Monz can
just cut the dragon's head off and make a wall trophy. Don't drink the blood! Just kidding.
I think that drinking the blood of the dragon (the universe of cosmic music) is a part of the
path. Maybe when its your turn to take the drink like in the ancient myths that you get one of
those countertop filtration systems like the Brita water filter pitcher. Then the blood of
creation would be safer to drink. It's called the vision of Pan. Pan, the goat god,
Christians call the devil. His panpipes of Bode's Law and the Pythagorean ratios. He has
horns and a fish tale (Capricornus). A sort of primitive dragon. Maybe its right to call him
the devil. But then again he is for all purposes the source of life we normally call Mother
Nature and his music is Father Time. A smart music hero can avoid Pan altogether and praise
Apollo and his lyre. That's a feat of a strong heart and purest morality and many aren't up to
Apollo's standards. So it's off to the dragon slaying myth. And then the hero has to drink
the blood to hear the song of creation and then blam! You're reading Tolkien's "Silmarillion"
and thinking of Wagner's Ring Cycle.
Joesph Campbell's "Masks of God" is a very rich collection of these music based myths. It's
his underlying theme in those books. Very enlightening if one was to try to wrestle with the
creation and play its music. I know I'm gonna try it again. Except that I'm already a washed
up experiment. The trick is to get there and NOT go insane. NOT GO INSANE. And most
importantly, don't go NEW AGEY. Avoid insanity and avoid new agey music. John Tesh and Yanni
are just as bad as Nietzsche's hysterical insanity death and my frightful psychosis. Actually
though, John Tesh and Yanni are worse than insanity.

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From: Troubledoor <troubledoor@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [tuning] The mind is boggled by the vision of orderliness
presented by the mind of antiquity.

>
>
> David Beardsley wrote:
>
> > David Beardsley wrote:
> >
> > > Lots of talk about ratios, words that numbers,
> >
> > I wanted to write words that represent numbers.
> > Sorry 'bout the typo.
> >
> >
>
> That's why I got on the subject of the Pythagorean number mysticism to
begin with. Because the
> Hurrian tablet (that is supposed to be the world's oldest notation but
which Monz says really
> isn't) was reported to have the same number of syllables as notes in the
notation. That got me
> to thinking of the very elaborate symbolism of some of the philosophers
regarding their books
> (Schopenhauer, Apuleius, Moses, Nietzsche, etc). Many of them use
Pythagorean and number
> symbols intentionally related to musical ideas. So I said the joke about
the universe doing
> that, too (which it is). And so began the numerology chats. A very good
friend of mine can
> hear the mystical/celestial music of creation because he is a very good
mystic and yoga
> master. I've heard that music on several occasions and it sucks for the
most part. I think
> that its better if theorists just look at scientific data and try to
wrestle the music out THAT
> way----as it translates to the human mind and imagination. What is
actually in the
> mystic/celestial radiospace isn't that impressive----the planets and
quantum wave atoms don't
> play very well. I might have not edited out a segment where I say that
standard Mozart and
> Bach are better at translating this vision of the ordered cosmos or Arvo
Part's "Miserere". I
> think that Monz is going to try to do another one. One day someone will
come up with one that
> is convincing and really speaks the music of the spheres and quantum wave
music of the atoms.
> Till then, there is always the synergy of drugs and music to lift the mind
out to the reaches
> of the universe---abstract or otherwise. Also, I think that Arvo Part's
"Miserere" is one hell
> of a cosmic vision. Come to think of it, Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung"
is about the cosmic
> music. And Holst's not so well written "The Planets". The best modern
writer on this music
> religion is Schopenhauer. His two volumes of The World as Will and
Representation (Payne
> translation) represents the summation of the mystical tradition regarding
the harmonices
> mundi. Nietzsche was the first person to test it. He died insane. But
then again,
> Nietzsche's piano music is terrible (there's even a CD on it). Maybe Monz
won't go insane if
> he starts to hear the atoms and planets talking/singing. I myself also
didn't do so well when
> I started to hear that humming. The universe doesn't like me. That's
Wagner's image, that
> Siegfried slays Fafner and drinks of that dragon's blood and then hears
the music of creation.
> I think that dragon's blood might be poisonous and isn't such a good
drink. Maybe Monz can
> just cut the dragon's head off and make a wall trophy. Don't drink the
blood! Just kidding.
> I think that drinking the blood of the dragon (the universe of cosmic
music) is a part of the
> path. Maybe when its your turn to take the drink like in the ancient
myths that you get one of
> those countertop filtration systems like the Brita water filter pitcher.
Then the blood of
> creation would be safer to drink. It's called the vision of Pan. Pan,
the goat god,
> Christians call the devil. His panpipes of Bode's Law and the Pythagorean
ratios. He has
> horns and a fish tale (Capricornus). A sort of primitive dragon. Maybe
its right to call him
> the devil. But then again he is for all purposes the source of life we
normally call Mother
> Nature and his music is Father Time. A smart music hero can avoid Pan
altogether and praise
> Apollo and his lyre. That's a feat of a strong heart and purest morality
and many aren't up to
> Apollo's standards. So it's off to the dragon slaying myth. And then the
hero has to drink
> the blood to hear the song of creation and then blam! You're reading
Tolkien's "Silmarillion"
> and thinking of Wagner's Ring Cycle.
> Joesph Campbell's "Masks of God" is a very rich collection of these music
based myths. It's
> his underlying theme in those books. Very enlightening if one was to try
to wrestle with the
> creation and play its music. I know I'm gonna try it again. Except that
I'm already a washed
> up experiment. The trick is to get there and NOT go insane. NOT GO
INSANE. And most
> importantly, don't go NEW AGEY. Avoid insanity and avoid new agey music.
John Tesh and Yanni
> are just as bad as Nietzsche's hysterical insanity death and my frightful
psychosis. Actually
> though, John Tesh and Yanni are worse than insanity.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
> > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
> > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
> >
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