Re: [tuning] Re: Bode's law

Robert C Valentine wrote:

> > From: "John F. Sprague" <jsprague@dhcr.state.ny.us>
> >
> > It is, however, more accurate than Kepler's inscribed and
> > circumscribed spheres around the Platonic solids, an hypothesis
> > which he abandoned.
> >
>
> Has anyone else read
>
> Manual on the Rudiments of Tuning and Registration
>
> from the Shiller Institute?
>
> This is a treatise by (or supported by) Lyndon Larouche. The
> major aim of the work is to demonstrate that C=256 and that
> deviations are ruinous for Western music. It all stems
> from where the register breaks are in the human voice...
>
> These same breaks are shown by the asteroid belt and correctly
> predicted by Keplers model.
>
> The natural laws of the universe match those that cause
> registration in the human voice. Raising C, (via A=440)
> and Newtons theories, are both things that should be
> repealed.
>
> An interesting but strange read...
>
> Bob Valentine
>

This was the subject of Joscelyn Godwin's "Cosmic Music" (I checked, this is the actual title
of the book). The book mentions several aspects of reality that conform to Bode's Law and the
Pythagorean ratios.

I think I can remember some of what is in Guy Murchie's vol.1 of "Music of the Spheres". At
least I can remember how to test the theory. Since Saturn is the octave of the Sun, all we
have to do is get the mean distance of Saturn around the Sun. Then do the standard Pythagorean
ratios on that number. For instance, whatever interval corresponds to 2/3 of the octave or
Mars?, the 5th?, we would multiply? that ratio into the mean Saturn distance. This number can
then be checked against the actual mean distance of Mars? or the 2/3 Pythagorean Bode's Law
planet. The sequence of planets is Sun (Saturn), Mercury (Uranus), Venus (Neptune), Earth
(Pluto), Mars, asteriods, Jupiter. If I can remember correctly, Guy Murchie says that these
planets all expand ORDEREDLY according to Bode's Law and therefore the Pythagorean ratios
also. It might be the case that he was only speaking of order of geometric expansion---- which
is possible (although not likely). This would be less satisfying to the seeker of goosebumps
yet it is essentially the same mystery because the rest of nature in fact expands geometrically
all according to the law of octaves (even if it is only implied spatially). Goscelyn Godwin is
more to the point about what aspects of nature are in fact obeying the Pythagorean ratios.
According to her, its all aspects of reality. The people who have been studying this subject
have always been occultists or mystics. If you check Joscelyn Godwin's other books at
amazon.com, she is a writer of occult books.

For the subject of microtonal composition, it is interesting because the planets are in
elliptical orbits and even though the mean distances of the planets and atoms are Pythagorean
and diatonic or geometrically suggest such things, they are only in that state one day of the
year/orbit. The rest of the "year" of that planet, it is in microtonal intervals to the Sun.
The entire universe is playing this microtonal music.

I am wondering which microtonal theories use the standard 7 diatonic notes and then add or
subtract from these by percents thus eliminating 12 tone theory and opening the doors for
microtonal scale theory and world harmony and love and light for the whole galaxy.

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Dear "Boders"
As examining Kepler's "Harmony of the Spheres" in the past, we found no place where he
abandoned his theory of the distances of the planets being related to the Platonic solids. Was
this later, and do you know of a reference? Much of this fascinating document appears to be a
resolution to those aspects of Ptolemy's "metaphysical/astrological" observations that were not
obviously addressed by Copernicus. We (having already mentioned Kepler's 200 books on Astrology),
sense much in this aforementioned book was out of his deep respect to Ptolemy and sought a way to
revise it his great work as opposed to undermine it.
The facts of planetary motion as we can see them at the present moment seem to be found in a
different direction then that of Simple Ratios. The relationships between the planets seem more
closely resemble "irrational" proportions having properties like the golden mean. In fact it seems
that if the non repetitive nature of these proportions were not placed within the movement of the
planets, an accumulated resonance would built up eventually destroying the very balance that is
maintained. We must realized that if it were guided by "suprarational" forces such a structure
would make more sense that simple ratios. Each though reflects a different "Horizon" in our
understanding of the Harmony between the Spheres, or maybe now of the cosmos. An
intereconnectiveness perceived on other planes by (John) Bell's theorem, Albeit through the
infinitely small as opposed to the infinitely large. As more and more "Data" becomes available, we
should not shy away from using it as an opportunity to expand our horizon. On the other hand we
must realize that much "data" is limited many times in turn by the horizon of the investigating
parties.

>
> > > From: "John F. Sprague" <jsprague@dhcr.state.ny.us>
> > >
> > > It is, however, more accurate than Kepler's inscribed and
> > > circumscribed spheres around the Platonic solids, an hypothesis
> > > which he abandoned.
> > >

-- Banaphshu
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
www.anaphoria.com

That's why this subject is best left to the occult fringe. No one who talks
about it ever sounds coherent. I can't understand what the reply below is
saying. I'm sure my replies sound just as confusing. I did manage to get the
entire method out and it IS quite simple, just that in the process I made a big
confusing mess of 4 replies. I know that if I started over again and tried to
explain it simpler and without the speculations that I would slip again into the
speculations. The mind is boggled by the vision of orderliness presented by the
mind of antiquity. It's in that vol. 1 of Guy Murchie's Music of the Spheres
though. He has it down very simple. In fact, that book explains a lot of
things very simply about the natural world and he likes to use musical metaphors
for his explanations so it is really a highly recommended book for anyone
interested in harmonics and microtonal theory. All that is left is to go to the
Goscelyn Godwin book, Cosmic Music, and see the comments on harmonics and you
are ready to join a cult and wear a black hood and say "OM" a lot.

Kraig Grady wrote:

>
> Dear "Boders"
> As examining Kepler's "Harmony of the Spheres" in the past, we found no
> place where he abandoned his theory of the distances of the planets being
> related to the Platonic solids. Was this later, and do you know of a
> reference? Much of this fascinating document appears to be a resolution to
> those aspects of Ptolemy's "metaphysical/astrological" observations that were
> not obviously addressed by Copernicus. We (having already mentioned Kepler's
> 200 books on Astrology), sense much in this aforementioned book was out of his
> deep respect to Ptolemy and sought a way to revise it his great work as
> opposed to undermine it.
> The facts of planetary motion as we can see them at the present moment
> seem to be found in a different direction then that of Simple Ratios. The
> relationships between the planets seem more closely resemble "irrational"
> proportions having properties like the golden mean. In fact it seems that if
> the non repetitive nature of these proportions were not placed within the
> movement of the planets, an accumulated resonance would built up eventually
> destroying the very balance that is maintained. We must realized that if it
> were guided by "suprarational" forces such a structure would make more sense
> that simple ratios. Each though reflects a different "Horizon" in our
> understanding of the Harmony between the Spheres, or maybe now of the
> cosmos. An intereconnectiveness perceived on other planes by (John) Bell's
> theorem, Albeit through the infinitely small as opposed to the infinitely
> large. As more and more "Data" becomes available, we should not shy away from
> using it as an opportunity to expand our horizon. On the other hand we must
> realize that much "data" is limited many times in turn by the horizon of the
> investigating parties.
>
>>
>> > > From: "John F. Sprague" <jsprague@dhcr.state.ny.us>
>> > >
>> > > It is, however, more accurate than Kepler's inscribed and
>> > > circumscribed spheres around the Platonic solids, an hypothesis
>> > > which he abandoned.
>> > >
>
>
> -- Banaphshu
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> www.anaphoria.com
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