Re: [tuning] Re: Music on the Mind

John!
Unless the babies have heard absolutely no music at all it is just as plausible that they
might already recognize the context in which this interval is heard. Even without wanting too
the babies could read the testers reactions. There is no universal acceptance for the perfect
fourth and fifth. In the southern hemisphere it is hard to find it prevalent anywhere.

"John A. deLaubenfels" wrote:

> To me it does not seem implausible that a 600 cent tritone would be
> perceived as unpleasant by babies. I'd sure love to get comparative
> results for a 5:7 tritone!
>
> JdL

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
www.anaphoria.com

John !
If the children were exposed to any music before the test, enough of the cultural syntax
could already be wired in. So even at four months "universality" testing is not possible. If
we test to compare tritones to perfect intervals, the test it self is a culturally biased
question. It would be the equivalent of an African test 12 beat bell patterns against 16 as a
way of determining that the former was more pleasing. Also a child at four months cannot
answer for them selves, in other words, their reactions are being guessed. The question is
just how far can science go in answering the questions of Art. Personally I think about as
good as the opposite. Both can be helpful and express possibilities but nothing more. I
believe Einstein said he personally got the notion of an expanding universe from the "Jupiter"
symphony.

"John A. deLaubenfels" wrote:

>
> Kraig, in an earlier post you raised the concern, in testing performed
> on babies, that the prejudices of the tester could distort the results.
> I very much agree that such a possibility exists. But it is also true
> that methodologies exist to deal effectively with such problems. For
> example: the babies could be played a series of tones and a videotape
> made showing time and the babies' responses. Another researcher, who
> does not know the order of the tones played, could view the videotape
> with the sound removed, and record the babies' reactions only against
> elapsed time. Such methods sharply reduce the likelihood of prejudicial
> distortions of the results.
>
> If I'm following exactly the points you're making, you seem to reject
> any possibility of a universal response among babies from different
> parts of the world. Though I'm far from certain, my guess is that you
> are mistaken on this point. Finding the true results is the point of
> research, yes? It seems likely to me that babies may be more consistent
> than adults when it comes to their reactions, since they've had less
> time to build cultural perspectives.
>
> Can we at least agree that it's an open question, and that further
> research might shed some interesting light?
>
> JdL
>
> .

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
www.anaphoria.com

Kraig wrote,

>I believe Einstein said he personally got the notion of an expanding
universe from the "Jupiter" symphony.

Einstein found the notion of an expanding universe repugnant and
specifically doctored his theory (general relativity) to avoid it. After
experimental evidence for an expanding universe came out, this doctoring
became known as "Einstein's greatest blunder".

Paul!
I understand that he didn't like the idea, but my understanding was that he saw the idea
existing in this piece of Mozart. The two basic motifs each expand until they encompasses
whole movements. Speaking of Dissonance I consider Mozart some of the most Dissonant music
ever written (especially the later works) Like Van Gogh, his work is perceived independent of
its content. Imagine listening to the last (completely exhausted) piano concerto sipping your
morning tea from a cup with the picture of the Wheat Field. Very Cheery!

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> Kraig wrote,
>
> >I believe Einstein said he personally got the notion of an expanding
> universe from the "Jupiter" symphony.
>
> Einstein found the notion of an expanding universe repugnant and
> specifically doctored his theory (general relativity) to avoid it. After
> experimental evidence for an expanding universe came out, this doctoring
> became known as "Einstein's greatest blunder".
>
> de.
> tuning-normal@egroups.com - change your subscription to individual emails.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
www.anaphoria.com

In a message dated 7/31/2000 1:39:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kraiggrady@anaphoria.com writes:

<< Speaking of Dissonance I consider Mozart some of the most Dissonant music
ever written >>

Kraig!
It seems you have your own Theory of Relativity! Perhaps if you heard Mozart
in the proper intonation you would feel differently.

Johnny Reinhard

Johnny!
I think he has a polite way of telling the some of most tragic of stories, yes the joker
is there to make it easier to swallow but DON'T BE FOOLED:) Many time A more correct tuning
will make things less ambiguous but even more dissonant!
Afmmjr@aol.com wrote:

> Kraig!
> It seems you have your own Theory of Relativity! Perhaps if you heard Mozart
> in the proper intonation you would feel differently.
>
> Johnny Reinhard
>
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
www.anaphoria.com