Introduction

To: internet:tuning@onelist.com
Date: 03-01-99

I have just joined the list, but have been doing real-time JI tuning
with a NeXT computer and Korg M-1 MIDI synth for several years.

I use pitch-bending to achieve proper tuning. One advantage is that it
is possible to retune gradually in a transition such as:

G,B,D,F ---> G,C,F with the outer notes tied

in which F transitions from 7/4 of G to 16/9 of G. To my ear, a sudden
shift in tuning of notes continuously sounding is very jarring. I
typically retune during a span of about 1/4 to 1/2 second, which gives a
much smoother transition.

I am currently porting my real-time JI software from the NeXT to a PC
running Windows 95. I have also begun writing tuning software that has
access to a completed .midi file, and thus can look forward in time,
something real-time software can't do.

I believe that existing 12-tone pieces can be JI tuned to good effect,
using techniques such as the above. Chords such as full diminished 7ths
and augmented triads, creatures of equal temperament, my software simply
leaves tuned in equal temperament. Other problem chords, such as those
with four or more notes forming consecutive fifths, may also be tuned in
12-tone, in which fifths aren't too bad, and thirds are at least
preferable to those generated in 3-limit tuning!

I'm working on formulating empirical formulas for achieving "best
possible" tuning of a given MIDI sequence. During modulation, the pain
of changing the tuning of a note previously (or continuously) heard is
balanced against the pain of any chord being out of tune compared to the
JI standard. The math is interesting, to say the least! Actually
achieving the best possible bend set given a set of formulas and a
sequence, is not trivial.

Is anyone else interested in these aspects of JI tuning? Any other
comments?

John A. deLaubenfels
(de-LAW-ben-fels)
Boulder, Colorado

Hi,
I wanted to introduce myself, I am James Mckinney a Banjo Player/Luthier.
I have been interested in Just Intonation for a few years but
recently made the plunge and began building an instrument that will be JI
fretted.
I hope to have it finished and playable in the next week.

I live near Nashville TN and have alot of interest in all type of music
related
topics. I plan on composing and recording pieces on this instrument. It
will be a 20 fret neck design.

I look forward to learning alot from all of you.
Thanks,
James

Welcome Gordon!
Funny as our paths have just crossed when you were looking putting together
The article "A World Tour of Music: fragments of forgotten sounds".
It took me a minute to recognize the name!
So far, as this is a relatively new group, I think i can say we have more in exploring just
where each other are, more than anything else. Correct me others if you fell I am wrong in this.
The relationship of the historical use of tunings to spirituality and cosmology is of great
interest to myself. It seems that "beginnings" contain elements that will always remain, and that
tuning , will always be tied to it spiritual goals

Gordon Rumson wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I don't know if it's appropriate to introduce myself to the group, but
> considering that many of you are very active in microtonality etc and have
> been on the list for a long time, I expect you all know each other quite
> well.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

I thought i was on another list so sorry

Kraig Grady wrote:

> Welcome Gordon!
> Funny as our paths have just crossed when you were looking putting
> together
> The article "A World Tour of Music: fragments of forgotten sounds".
> It took me a minute to recognize the name!
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Greetings,

I find the relationship of tone to spirit of interest too, especially how
different tones/scales are used to assist in worship in different places and
times. I also feel that it might be that certain patterns of intonation
have a symbolic value for certain eras. I find it of quaint historical
interest that the enlargement of voting rights occurred at the same
approximate time as the rise of equal temperament in piano tuning (late 19th
century).

For these times I wonder if CDs allow for the appreciation of varied tunings
in a way that large concert halls do not...

All best wishes,
Gordon Rumson
Pianist and composer

"Has it ever occurred to anyone that the reason government funded schools do
not function well is that it is in the government¹s interest not to have an
intelligent electorate?" A question by Gordon Rumson...

Web page: http://www.cadvision.com/Home_Pages/accounts/liszt/rumson.html

From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>
Organization: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
Reply-To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:21:24 -0700
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tuning] Introduction

Welcome Gordon!
Funny as our paths have just crossed when you were looking putting
together
The article "A World Tour of Music: fragments of forgotten sounds".
It took me a minute to recognize the name!
So far, as this is a relatively new group, I think i can say we have more
in exploring just where each other are, more than anything else. Correct me
others if you fell I am wrong in this.
The relationship of the historical use of tunings to spirituality and
cosmology is of great interest to myself. It seems that "beginnings" contain
elements that will always remain, and that tuning , will always be tied to
it spiritual goals

Gordon Rumson wrote:
Greetings,

I don't know if it's appropriate to introduce myself to the group, but
considering that many of you are very active in microtonality etc and have
been on the list for a long time, I expect you all know each other quite
well.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

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Hello all,

I am relativly new to the list (I got in just before the "lock-down"), and while I have been tuning my own piano for years, I am interested in learning more about tuning with other systems (I am pretty stuck on 12-tet on the piano). I would imagine that the skill of tuning a piano is becoming one of those "lost arts", but I am sure that there are "schools" around that teach these skills as a trade. I currently live in the Chicago area, but might consider moving if I find something elsewhere.

Any suggestions would be helpful. I have call around to a couple of the schools, but no one seems to know anyone who offers such training.

Thanks,

Mike

"lock-down"? did I miss something?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J McGonagle [mailto:fndsnd@rcnchicago.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tuning] Introduction
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am relativly new to the list (I got in just before the "lock-down"),
> and while I have been tuning my own piano for years, I am interested in
> learning more about tuning with other systems (I am pretty stuck on
> 12-tet on the piano). I would imagine that the skill of tuning a piano
> is becoming one of those "lost arts", but I am sure that there are
> "schools" around that teach these skills as a trade. I currently live in
> the Chicago area, but might consider moving if I find something elsewhere.
>
> Any suggestions would be helpful. I have call around to a couple of the
> schools, but no one seems to know anyone who offers such training.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>

Dante Rosati wrote:
> "lock-down"? did I miss something?

No, you didn't... I was thinking of the wrong mailing list which has been getting spammed quite a bit, sorry to have alarmed you unnecessarily...

Mike

> > >>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael J McGonagle [mailto:fndsnd@rcnchicago.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM
>>To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [tuning] Introduction
>>
>>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I am relativly new to the list (I got in just before the "lock-down"),
>>and while I have been tuning my own piano for years, I am interested in
>>learning more about tuning with other systems (I am pretty stuck on
>>12-tet on the piano). I would imagine that the skill of tuning a piano
>>is becoming one of those "lost arts", but I am sure that there are
>>"schools" around that teach these skills as a trade. I currently live in
>>the Chicago area, but might consider moving if I find something elsewhere.
>>
>>Any suggestions would be helpful. I have call around to a couple of the
>>schools, but no one seems to know anyone who offers such training.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Mike
>>
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In a message dated 10/1/02 4:11:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
fndsnd@rcnchicago.com writes:

> Any suggestions would be helpful. I have call around to a couple of the
> schools, but no one seems to know anyone who offers such training.
>
> Mike
>
<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/pianotuningschools.htm">Click here: Schools of piano technology - EqualTemperament.com</A>

lists the schools below. My brother took the Nile Bryant course, and earned
his living tuning and repairing pianos.--Pauline

[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#American Institute of Piano Technology">American Institute of Piano Technology</A>] [<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#American School of Piano Tuning">American School of Piano Tuning</A>]
[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Dante Piano Service">Dante Piano Service</A>] [<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Delwin D Fandrich">Delwin D Fandrich</A>]
[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Edinboro University of Pennsylvania">Edinboro University of Pennsylvania</A>] [<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Emil Fries Piano Hospital & Traning Center">Emil Fries Piano Hospital & Traning
Center</A>]
[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Gavin School of Piano Technology">Gavin School of Piano Technology</A>] [<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Piano Technology program - University of Western Ontario in Canada">Piano Technology program - University of
Western Ontario in Canada</A>]
[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#New England Conservatory School">New England Conservatory School</A>] [<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Niles Bryant School">Niles Bryant School</A>] [<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#North Bennet Street School">North Bennet Street
School</A>]
[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#Randy Potter School of Piano Technology">Randy Potter School of Piano Technology</A>]
[<A HREF="http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/#The Larry Crabb School of Piano Technology">The Larry Crabb School of Piano Technology</A>]

Hi Michael,

--- In tuning@y..., Michael J McGonagle <fndsnd@r...> wrote:
> Any suggestions would be helpful.

I'm willing to bet a guy named Ed Foote will chime in shortly; if he doesn't we have to wake him up. He's an active (and advocative) piano tuner and will be a good resource for you.

Cheers,
Jon

> lists the schools below. My brother took the Nile Bryant course, and > earned his living tuning and repairing pianos.--Pauline

Thanks, Pauline. From following some links, it would appear that Niles Bryant is out of business. I was able to find some other places that all have "home" courses. Which is great for me, as most of these places are not in Chicago.

Thanks again.

Mike

In a message dated 10/1/02 9:36:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
fndsnd@rcnchicago.com writes:

> it would appear that Niles
> Bryant is out of business.
>
> Mike
>
That doesn't surprise me. As he probably retired or died by now. Also,
electronic keyboards that have piano stops (patches, if you insist) have cut
into the piano biz quite a bit.

Pauline