pachelbel tuning

---In tuning@yahoogroups.com, <kontrapunktstefan@...> wrote:

> ... which tuning J.Pachelbel could have used .....?

Hi Stefan,
that's an old question, which had already discussed in:
http://www.farago.info/hobby/stimmungen/Tuning.htm
Quotation (in German):
".... Einige der alten Stimmungen sind beim ersten Hinhören gewöhnungsbedürftig, beim zweiten interessant, ab dem dritten wirken sie bereits wie eine Droge. Klingen „Magnificat-Fugen“ von Johann Pachelbel (1653-1706) im prätorianischen- oder im Werckmeister-Temperament (1691) besser?
– Ausprobieren! - "

Translation:
'Some of the old tunings sound strange odd at first hearing,
but become interesting in the second listening,
at the deeper third percieve they already seem like a drug.
Does the "Magnificat-Fugues" by Johann Pachelbel (1653-1706) sound better
in the Praetorian(mean-tone) or even in Werckmeister III temperament (1691) ?
- Try it! -'

because:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Pachelbel
"....The three ricercars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricercar Pachelbel composed, that are more akin to his fugues than to ricercars by Frescobaldi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Frescobaldi or Froberger, are perhaps more technically interesting. In the original sources, all three use white notation and are marked alla breve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alla_breve. The polythematic C minor ricercar is the most popular and frequently performed and recorded. It is built on two contrasting themes (a slow chromatic pattern and a lively simplistic motif) which appear in their normal and inverted forms and concludes with both themes appearing simultaneously. The F-sharp minor ricercar uses the same concept and is slightly more interesting musically: the key of F-sharp minor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-sharp_minor requires a more flexible tuning than the standard meantone temperament http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meantone_temperament of the Baroque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque era and was therefore rarely used by contemporary composers. This means that Pachelbel may have used his own tuning system, of which little is known...."

bye
Andy

Dear Sparschuh,
thanks for Your help and Your explanations!
Stefan

2013/10/17 <a_sparschuh@...>

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>
>
> ---In tuning@yahoogroups.com, <kontrapunktstefan@...> wrote:
> > ... which tuning J.Pachelbel could have used .....?
>
> Hi Stefan,
> that's an old question, which had already discussed in:
> http://www.farago.info/hobby/stimmungen/Tuning.htm
> Quotation (in German):
> ".... Einige der alten Stimmungen sind beim ersten Hinhören
> gewöhnungsbedürftig, beim zweiten interessant, ab dem dritten wirken sie
> bereits wie eine Droge. Klingen „*Magnificat-Fugen“* von Johann Pachelbel
> (1653-1706) im prätorianischen- oder im Werckmeister-Temperament (1691)
> besser?
> – Ausprobieren! - "
>
> Translation:
> 'Some of the old tunings sound strange odd at first hearing,
> but become interesting in the second listening,
> at the deeper third percieve they already seem like a drug.
> Does the "Magnificat-Fugues" by Johann Pachelbel (1653-1706) sound better
> in the Praetorian(mean-tone) or even in Werckmeister III temperament (1691
> ) ?
> - Try it! -'
>
> because:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Pachelbel
> "....The three ricercars <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricercar>Pachelbel composed, that are more akin to his fugues than to ricercars by
> Frescobaldi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Frescobaldi> or
> Froberger, are perhaps more technically interesting. In the original
> sources, all three use white notation and are marked alla breve<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alla_breve>.
> The polythematic C minor ricercar is the most popular and frequently
> performed and recorded. It is built on two contrasting themes (a slow
> chromatic pattern and a lively simplistic motif) which appear in their
> normal and inverted forms and concludes with both themes appearing
> simultaneously. The F-sharp minor ricercar uses the same concept and is
> slightly more interesting musically: the key of F-sharp minor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-sharp_minor>requires a more flexible tuning than the standard meantone
> temperament <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meantone_temperament> of the
> Baroque <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque> era and was therefore
> rarely used by contemporary composers. This means that Pachelbel may have
> used his own tuning system, of which little is known...."
>
> bye
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>

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