Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Tuning List Files section is getting full

Hi all,

The files section is 98% full. We have a 100 MB limit on the total amount of files that we can store in this group, of which we're up to 98 MB so far. This means we're going to have to tidy up a bit and delete some stuff.

As is always the case when these things happen, this implies that old links will have to break. If we're clever, we can minimize the amount of drama that this causes by only removing the largest files, and those which are the least historically important, with the least amount of links pointing to them. For instance, nothing in Paul's folder should ever be touched, but I have a ~900 KB PDF in my file folder which we barely ever talked about; I'm probably going to rehost that on my webspace instead.

So I ask everyone: please consider if there's anything in your folder ~500 KB or larger which isn't terribly important or was never the focus of serious discussion. If you find things like that, please consider hosting them off of Yahoo to help keep the files section going.

PLEASE post a text file with a link to the new location if you rehost anything.

Most files in the files section are ~5 KB or so, and as such aren't worth deleting even if they're completely unimportant; you can delete literally 100 files like that and it'll barely make a dent. We need to only consider the obvious low hanging fruit, like unimportant things a half MB or larger, and we'll likely be OK. MP3's and PDF's are the worst offenders.

Finally, I hope that this will be enough to give us more room to upload files. I don't really want to start scoping out very large, questionably important files in other people's folders just yet, as that's even more of a project.

Thanks,
Mike

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

These were never a very good solution, but they do exist

/tuning_files/

/tuning_files2/

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "battaglia01" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The files section is 98% full. We have a 100 MB limit on the
> total amount of files that we can store in this group, of which
> we're up to 98 MB so far. This means we're going to have to
> tidy up a bit and delete some stuff.
>
> As is always the case when these things happen, this implies that
> old links will have to break. If we're clever, we can minimize the
> amount of drama that this causes by only removing the largest
> files, and those which are the least historically important, with
> the least amount of links pointing to them. For instance, nothing
> in Paul's folder should ever be touched, but I have a ~900 KB PDF
> in my file folder which we barely ever talked about; I'm probably
> going to rehost that on my webspace instead.
>
> So I ask everyone: please consider if there's anything in your
> folder ~500 KB or larger which isn't terribly important or was
> never the focus of serious discussion. If you find things like
> that, please consider hosting them off of Yahoo to help keep the
> files section going.
>
> PLEASE post a text file with a link to the new location if you
> rehost anything.
>
> Most files in the files section are ~5 KB or so, and as such
> aren't worth deleting even if they're completely unimportant; you
> can delete literally 100 files like that and it'll barely make a
> dent. We need to only consider the obvious low hanging fruit, like
> unimportant things a half MB or larger, and we'll likely be OK.
> MP3's and PDF's are the worst offenders.
>
> Finally, I hope that this will be enough to give us more room to
> upload files. I don't really want to start scoping out very large,
> questionably important files in other people's folders just yet,
> as that's even more of a project.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> These were never a very good solution, but they do exist
>
> /tuning_files/
>
> /tuning_files2/

Yeah, saw those, but I think I've found something even more
interesting, which is the "attachments" feature for the group.

This entire drama is all basically the result of Yahoo being silly.
They've limited the files section to 100 MB, haven't increased it to
keep up with the times, and don't offer any ability to purchase more
space. But the really silly thing is, despite only giving us 100 MB
for files, they give us 100 *GB* each for the "attachments" and photos
sections. This is bonkers and why they set it up like this is
completely beyond me.

You know what photos are, but you may not be aware about attachments.
You can find the attachments section of the group here:

/tuning/attachments/folder/0/list?mode=list&order=time&start=1&count=20&dir=desc

You can see that this is, effectively, a second files section, with a
100 GB limit on it. However, it's much less neat than the files
section:
- The attachments section isn't organized into directories like the
Files section; you can sort by author and that's it.
- You can only upload attachments via email, by literally attaching
the file to the email in the usual way. You can't upload it via the
group interface.
- If you want to upload an attachment, you have to write an email to
list attaching it, which everyone will see.

So it's kind of messy, and not very organized. It's definitely not as
clean as the files interface. And yet, here we have 100 GB of storage,
hosted right in the group, which we aren't taking advantage of at
all...

I was thinking it might be a good idea to take some of the largest
files in the group, reupload them as attachments, and then just put a
link to the aforementioned attachments in the folder where they used
to exist. For instance, you have like 4 PDF's in your folder totaling
about 10 MB of space; you can just upload all of them as attachments
to a single email and put a link to it in your files folder, and now
things are still decently neat and we have 10% space remaining. You
can get to the attachments using the files interface and all of its
directories, and nobody need bother with the "Attachments" section
directly.

Thoughts?

-Mike

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see much difference between moving stuff from Files
> to Attachments now or later. Eventually Files will fill up
> again and we'll have to use Attachments anyway. Why not just
> declare Files sealed and switch to Attachments straight away?

I think it's best to declare it sealed only for large files, like
those 1 MB or more. If anyone accidentally uploads something too large
to the Files section, I'll be notified and just resubmit it as an
attachment for them.

This is partly because the Attachments section is an enormous pain in
the ass: people who exclusively use the Yahoo interface are going to
have a hell of a time with it, especially people whose current emails
don't coincide with the one on the site (like Gene, I think). So
there's no need to force people to jump through all those hoops if
they just want to upload a <1 KB scala file, for instance.

It's also because, now that we have 15 MB of free space left, the
files section is still pretty useful so long as people only upload
reasonably-sized files. It keeps things organized, and most files are
small and don't cause problems; the average file in my folder is like
~15 KB, for instance. So if people want to keep organizing their work
in folders and are only putting small files up, it doesn't really make
any difference. We have room for a thousand 15 KB files right now.

Lastly, it was driving me nuts that only one of your PDFs was an
attachment and the rest weren't, so I deleted your test attachment
post and submitted all four PDFs in one attachment here:
/tuning/attachments/folder/29635417/item/list

I saw your reply about not breaking links in the other thread, so I
didn't delete the original three PDFs. But, I noticed something
interesting, which is that although I deleted your post with just the
one PDF, the attachment still remains:
/tuning/attachments/folder/404685217/item/list

So that's nice. You can upload an attachment to a post, and then
delete your post to avoid spamming the list, and the attachment will
remain.

-Mike

🔗Cuthbert Lobawad <lobawad@...>

Hi Mike, you can go ahead and erase whatever I've got under either Cameron Bobro or lobawad- the Xenwiki and Soundcloud take care of everything.

________________________________
From: battaglia01 <battaglia01@...>
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:41 AM
Subject: [tuning] Tuning List Files section is getting full

Hi all,

PLEASE post a text file with a link to the new location if you rehost anything.

Thanks,
Mike

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🔗Ralph Hill <ASCEND11@...>

Hello Mike -

Forgive me if I'm asking something for which the answer is already
easily to be found, but I've not yet found it.

I tried to upload a 17 megabyte music file as an attachment in an E-
mail to the Tuning List which I've belonged to since before 2000, but
haven't posted to frequently and haven't kept up with developments on
the list too well. I received a message that I wasn't allowed to do
this because I needed to belong to some individual group which not all
subscribers on the list belonged to.

I signed up for a yahoo E-mail address and tried to post an E-mail
with the aiff music file as an attachment to the tuning list from
there, which was difficult and complicated because the instructions
about mail I found on yahoo were not clear to me. I had a 15 min.
wait for the big file to get from my computer to the Tuning List and I
think my file got that far. But my E-mail with music file was
rejected by the Tuning List because I didn't have a required
qualification.

Could you please explain to me if I can get the file to the Tuning
List and what I must do to make that happen.

Sincerely, Dave Hill

Note: On the yahoo subscriber site I got onto (unfamiliar to me - I've
always had aol since 1996) I saw advertised that I could easily send
"large files" (bigger than 25 megabytes) using an application actually
belonging to some third party. However in order to use that
application, I had to agree to their locating all those I corresponded
with by E-mail and other things and their requirements seemed
unusually intrusive even for internet providers, so I avoided using
that application.

On Jan 19, 2013, at 5:41 PM, battaglia01 wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> The files section is 98% full. We have a 100 MB limit on the total
> amount of files that we can store in this group, of which we're up
> to 98 MB so far. This means we're going to have to tidy up a bit and > delete some stuff.
>
> As is always the case when these things happen, this implies that
> old links will have to break. If we're clever, we can minimize the
> amount of drama that this causes by only removing the largest files,
> and those which are the least historically important, with the least
> amount of links pointing to them. For instance, nothing in Paul's
> folder should ever be touched, but I have a ~900 KB PDF in my file> folder which we barely ever talked about; I'm probably going to
> rehost that on my webspace instead.
>
> So I ask everyone: please consider if there's anything in your
> folder ~500 KB or larger which isn't terribly important or was never
> the focus of serious discussion. If you find things like that,
> please consider hosting them off of Yahoo to help keep the files
> section going.
>
> PLEASE post a text file with a link to the new location if you
> rehost anything.
>
> Most files in the files section are ~5 KB or so, and as such aren't
> worth deleting even if they're completely unimportant; you can
> delete literally 100 files like that and it'll barely make a dent.
> We need to only consider the obvious low hanging fruit, like
> unimportant things a half MB or larger, and we'll likely be OK.
> MP3's and PDF's are the worst offenders.
>
> Finally, I hope that this will be enough to give us more room to
> upload files. I don't really want to start scoping out very large,
> questionably important files in other people's folders just yet, as
> that's even more of a project.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
>

Tuning List Files section is getting full

🔗battaglia01 <battaglia01@...>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

🔗Cuthbert Lobawad <lobawad@...>

🔗Ralph Hill <ASCEND11@...>

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>