Steve enigma assignment

If you want me to analyze this like I did the other pieces could you
provide a score or scoredatura or midi?

And do I have your permission to host this?

Two people now have asked me to summarize the exercise, goals and results.

Thanks,

Chris

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
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> If you want me to analyze this like I did the other pieces could you
> provide a score or scoredatura or midi?
>
> And do I have your permission to host this?
>
> Two people now have asked me to summarize the exercise, goals and results.

Chris,
yes, yes and yes. That is, I will provide a score (maybe not immediately); you have my permission (although I need to address Keenan's point first); I'd like to see the collected results.

Steve M.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "martinsj013" <martinsj@...> wrote:
> yes, yes and yes. That is, I will provide a score (maybe not immediately); you have my permission (although I need to address Keenan's point first); I'd like to see the collected results.

If the problem is getting your software set up, you can always just send a standard MIDI file and a Scala file to some knowledgeable person and have them render it for you. I could do it myself but I think Chris has better (and more expensive) soundfonts. I just have the free default one that comes with Fluidsynth.

If you come on IRC chat sometime (#xenharmonic on freenode), we might be able to help you debug.

Keenan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
> If the problem is getting your software set up, you can always just send a standard MIDI file and a Scala file to some knowledgeable person and have them render it for you. I could do it myself but I think Chris has better (and more expensive) soundfonts. I just have the free default one that comes with Fluidsynth.

OK, I have remembered that both Scala and Timidity can do MTS (up to now, I've not worried about "MTS vs pitch bend") - so I could produce an MP3 without the unwanted bending. But if Chris would be prepared to produce it from my MIDI file, that would be better still!

Steve M.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "martinsj013" <martinsj@...> wrote:

> OK, I have remembered that both Scala and Timidity can do MTS (up to now, I've not worried about "MTS vs pitch bend") - so I could produce an MP3 without the unwanted bending. But if Chris would be prepared to produce it from my MIDI file, that would be better still!

I'm not clear how MTS will help you. Can you explain?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
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> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "martinsj013" <martinsj@> wrote:
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> > OK, I have remembered that both Scala and Timidity can do MTS (up to now, I've not worried about "MTS vs pitch bend") - so I could produce an MP3 without the unwanted bending. But if Chris would be prepared to produce it from my MIDI file, that would be better still!
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> I'm not clear how MTS will help you. Can you explain?

The unwanted slides in the rendering are caused by MIDI pitch bend being a per-channel thing. When one pitch is followed immediately by another, the pitch bend appropriate to the second pitch is applied (to the whole channel) while the first pitch is still decaying, causing the decay of the first pitch to slide.

MTS has two different kinds of messages (bulk dump and single-note), but neither of them are per-channel, so neither of them will cause the same problem.

Keenan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
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> MTS has two different kinds of messages (bulk dump and single-note), but neither of them are per-channel, so neither of them will cause the same problem.

Thanks. People should keeo in mind that due either to a screw-up with Scala or Timidity, MTS has its own issues: if you stick in little gaps between notes, you get a funny pinging sound is one.

And .... embedding MTS information into the midi file may not the best
solution either. I've not a lot of experience with MTS - though Steve did
send me a midi with embedded MTS and Sonar and Sibelius are going... no can
do boss.

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

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> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
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> > MTS has two different kinds of messages (bulk dump and single-note), but
> neither of them are per-channel, so neither of them will cause the same
> problem.
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> Thanks. People should keeo in mind that due either to a screw-up with
> Scala or Timidity, MTS has its own issues: if you stick in little gaps
> between notes, you get a funny pinging sound is one.
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> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 PM, genewardsmith
> <genewardsmith@...>wrote:
> > Thanks. People should keeo in mind that due either to a screw-up with
> > Scala or Timidity, MTS has its own issues: if you stick in little gaps
> > between notes, you get a funny pinging sound is one.

Hmm, I'm interested in this because I have no idea what would cause it. Is this using MTS bulk tuning dump or MTS single-note tuning changes?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
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> And .... embedding MTS information into the midi file may not the best
> solution either. I've not a lot of experience with MTS - though Steve did
> send me a midi with embedded MTS and Sonar and Sibelius are going... no can
> do boss.

Yeah... it would be this great solution except that hardly anything actually supports it. When I first learned of the situation years ago I was bummed out about it, but now I'm not because I think of the whole MIDI thing a different way. MIDI note numbers are just these 128 different kinds of events that can happen. They don't have to be different pitches or even musical notes at all, so they certainly don't have to be the standard 12edo pitches. Whatever's making the actual sound has to know the tuning information, but MIDI and MTS don't have to be involved at all.

The only downside of viewing it this way is that you can't have a standard MIDI file (SMF) with embedded tuning information. It's just a record of abstract events in time, rather than a self-contained description of music.

Keenan