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What are the simplest, least expensive ways to add tunings and temperaments to a digital piano such as the Casio Privia PX-330? Although it features a fixed variety of tunings and temperaments beyond ET, it lacks scale tuning, a feature my humble 61-key Yamaha keyboard had, which I miss terribly, as setting up tunings and temperaments is my idea of a good time.

The Privia does have USB and MIDI in/out.

The Kirnberger III and Werckmeister III work very well with the splendid weighted keyboard and the decent piano sampling of the Privia, but what I'm hoping to do is find a way to add, say, the Thomas Young temperament, among other systems that might further enhance the sound beyond K3 and W3, while continuing to use the on-board tone generator of the Privia.

Thanks for your advice.

Bill

🔗chrisvaisvil@...

Look into the TMX box (I'm pretty sure) made by Aaron Hunt. / Hi-Pi music in Muncie Indiana

My guess is for this to work you need to set "local off". That is logically disconnect your keyboard from your sound generation.
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: "welltempered88" <bruth@oberlin.edu>
Sender: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:39:47
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tuning] how to add scale tuning to a digital piano?

The Privia does have USB and MIDI in/out.

Thanks for your advice.

Bill

🔗Keinstein Junior <keinstein_junior@...>

Am 13.08.2012 19:39, schrieb welltempered88:
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>
>
> What are the simplest, least expensive ways to add tunings and
> temperaments to a digital piano such as the Casio Privia PX-330?
> Although it features a fixed variety of tunings and temperaments
> beyond ET, it lacks scale tuning, a feature my humble 61-key Yamaha
> keyboard had, which I miss terribly, as setting up tunings and
> temperaments is my idea of a good time.
>
Maybe Mutabor: http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~mutabor/ ? Werckmeister
and Kirnberger are provided in the File demo.mut. Beta 2 will be
released soon (I have just to fix another one or two bugs).

Tobias

>
> The Privia does have USB and MIDI in/out.
>
> The Kirnberger III and Werckmeister III work very well with the
> splendid weighted keyboard and the decent piano sampling of the
> Privia, but what I'm hoping to do is find a way to add, say, the
> Thomas Young temperament, among other systems that might further
> enhance the sound beyond K3 and W3, while continuing to use the
> on-board tone generator of the Privia.
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
> Bill
>
>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

slaps face

I forgot fractal tune smithy which I use
http://robertinventor.com/software/tunesmithy/music.htm
and of course scala is capable of retuning keyboards.
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:39 PM, welltempered88 <bruth@...> wrote:

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>
>
>
> What are the simplest, least expensive ways to add tunings and
> temperaments to a digital piano such as the Casio Privia PX-330? Although
> it features a fixed variety of tunings and temperaments beyond ET, it lacks
> scale tuning, a feature my humble 61-key Yamaha keyboard had, which I miss
> terribly, as setting up tunings and temperaments is my idea of a good time.
>
> The Privia does have USB and MIDI in/out.
>
> The Kirnberger III and Werckmeister III work very well with the splendid
> weighted keyboard and the decent piano sampling of the Privia, but what I'm
> hoping to do is find a way to add, say, the Thomas Young temperament, among
> other systems that might further enhance the sound beyond K3 and W3, while
> continuing to use the on-board tone generator of the Privia.
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
> Bill
>
>
>

🔗Bogdan <baros_ilogic@...>

Pitch Palette 02 does the following:

- MicroTuner for changing the tuning of your synth in real time. With the touch of a MIDI note, you can send a MIDI System Exclusive (SysEx) to your synth;
- Chord Detector for automatically chooosing Root and changing tuning;
- Scale Editor for viewing, adding and editing scales;
- Music Calculator, for converting ratios and decimals to cents;
- Oscilloscope for viewing harmony as Lissajous curves;
- Frequency Analyzer for viewing frequencies in real-time;
- Piano keyboard , in case a real one is not handy;
- Sequencer for playing and adding tuning data to .MID files

- System Exclusive MIDI tuning messages are now automatically saved in Standard MIDI files for playback on any sequencer;
- Pitch Bend mode available for non-microtunable MIDI synthesizers;
- Multi-Tone Generator with 16 Tuning Faders that connect to 1 of 128 different voices;
- Scale/Octave MIDI Tuning Standards: Real Time or Non Real Time, 1 or 2 byte format in addition to exclusive formats for most popular synthesizers;
- MIDI In and MIDI Out monitors;
- Support for MIDI Pitch Bend Range specification of up to 24 semitones per semitone.

http://www.justonic.com/

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "welltempered88" <bruth@...> wrote:
>
>
> What are the simplest, least expensive ways to add tunings and temperaments to a digital piano such as the Casio Privia PX-330? Although it features a fixed variety of tunings and temperaments beyond ET, it lacks scale tuning, a feature my humble 61-key Yamaha keyboard had, which I miss terribly, as setting up tunings and temperaments is my idea of a good time.
>
> The Privia does have USB and MIDI in/out.
>
> The Kirnberger III and Werckmeister III work very well with the splendid weighted keyboard and the decent piano sampling of the Privia, but what I'm hoping to do is find a way to add, say, the Thomas Young temperament, among other systems that might further enhance the sound beyond K3 and W3, while continuing to use the on-board tone generator of the Privia.
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
> Bill
>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@...> wrote:
>
> Pitch Palette 02 does the following:

This is really old software. It was a leading way to do
microtonal music on a PC in 1997. Today, it is eclipsed by
Scala, Fractal Tunesmithy, and various softsynths with
built-in microtonal features. The original Pitch Palette
was written in Visual Basic and does not run on
64-bit Windows. Screenshots of this "02" version look the
same, and note that the Mac offerring is for OS 9!

-Carl

🔗Bogdan <baros_ilogic@...>

Is Scala or Fractal Tunesmithy or any other various softsynths with built-in microtonal features capable of playing in-tune, in Just Intonation by automatically/manually chooosing Root and changing tuning with every key change?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@> wrote:
> >
> > Pitch Palette 02 does the following:
>
> This is really old software. It was a leading way to do
> microtonal music on a PC in 1997. Today, it is eclipsed by
> Scala, Fractal Tunesmithy, and various softsynths with
> built-in microtonal features. The original Pitch Palette
> was written in Visual Basic and does not run on
> 64-bit Windows. Screenshots of this "02" version look the
> same, and note that the Mac offerring is for OS 9!
>
> -Carl
>

🔗chrisvaisvil@...

Unfortunately the capabilities are a moot point if the software does not run on modern operating systems.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@yahoo.com>
Sender: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:09:16
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [tuning] Re: how to add scale tuning to a digital piano?

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Hi Bogdan,

Have you used Pitch Palette? In my experience, the claimed
feature was a great exaggeration. It worked by recognizing
chords from a list. It was easy to confuse if you played
something that wasn't on the list. And even playing chords
on the list, the "comma problem" wasn't addressed.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@...> wrote:
>
> Is Scala or Fractal Tunesmithy or any other various softsynths
> with built-in microtonal features capable of playing in-tune,
> in Just Intonation by automatically/manually chooosing Root and
> changing tuning with every key change?
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pitch Palette 02 does the following:
> >
> > This is really old software. It was a leading way to do
> > microtonal music on a PC in 1997. Today, it is eclipsed by
> > Scala, Fractal Tunesmithy, and various softsynths with
> > built-in microtonal features. The original Pitch Palette
> > was written in Visual Basic and does not run on
> > 64-bit Windows. Screenshots of this "02" version look the
> > same, and note that the Mac offerring is for OS 9!
> >
> > -Carl
> >
>

🔗Bogdan <baros_ilogic@...>

I haven't used it, as there is no demo version or trial period and they didn't reply back to my mails, so no customer service.

But the ideea is great. Is the solution to all challenges created by changing root and key on fixed key instruments. As I see it, playing a 50+ tones per octave just to have all the harmonic options available is cumbersome. I'd rather play a simple 7, 12 or 19-24 tones per octave, just and not tempered, on a thing that could change manually or automatically the root in real time.

They claim to having solved Pythagora's comma.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bogdan,
>
> Have you used Pitch Palette? In my experience, the claimed
> feature was a great exaggeration. It worked by recognizing
> chords from a list. It was easy to confuse if you played
> something that wasn't on the list. And even playing chords
> on the list, the "comma problem" wasn't addressed.
>
> -Carl
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@> wrote:
> >
> > Is Scala or Fractal Tunesmithy or any other various softsynths
> > with built-in microtonal features capable of playing in-tune,
> > in Just Intonation by automatically/manually chooosing Root and
> > changing tuning with every key change?
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Pitch Palette 02 does the following:
> > >
> > > This is really old software. It was a leading way to do
> > > microtonal music on a PC in 1997. Today, it is eclipsed by
> > > Scala, Fractal Tunesmithy, and various softsynths with
> > > built-in microtonal features. The original Pitch Palette
> > > was written in Visual Basic and does not run on
> > > 64-bit Windows. Screenshots of this "02" version look the
> > > same, and note that the Mac offerring is for OS 9!
> > >
> > > -Carl
> > >
> >
>

🔗Graham Breed <gbreed@...>

"Bogdan" <baros_ilogic@...> wrote:

> But the ideea is great. Is the solution to all challenges
> created by changing root and key on fixed key
> instruments. As I see it, playing a 50+ tones per octave
> just to have all the harmonic options available is
> cumbersome. I'd rather play a simple 7, 12 or 19-24 tones
> per octave, just and not tempered, on a thing that could
> change manually or automatically the root in real time.

Sure, it's a good idea. I'm not sure what current software
supports it, but you/I/somebody eager to get this working
could hack something up in Csound, if it hasn't already
been done.

If it's supposed to route back into a digital piano you'd
want something like MIDI Relay. I forget if I implemented
this or not, but if so it's all Windows-specific code
that's about as obsolete as this other program you found.
It wouldn't be a big deal to implement if you already have
a framework for real time MIDI relaying in a friendly
language. Writing that framework is a moderate deal.

> They claim to having solved Pythagora's comma.

It's the syntonic comma that causes the most problems.

Graham

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Hi Bogdan!

> They claim to having solved Pythagora's comma.

Those claims were greatly exaggerated.

In case you are interested, here are some demos and a "review"
of the Pitch Palette, that I first put on the web in 1997

http://lumma.org/music/score/justonic/

> But the ideea is great. Is the solution to all challenges created
> by changing root and key on fixed key instruments. As I see it,
> playing a 50+ tones per octave just to have all the harmonic
> options available is cumbersome. I'd rather play a simple 7, 12
> or 19-24 tones per octave, just and not tempered, on a thing that
> could change manually or automatically the root in real time.

Yes, it is great idea that many have worked on. But as yet,
there is no 'reference' software implementation of any of them.

Are you familiar with Hermode tuning? It is one of the best
attempts so far
http://www.hermode.com
The algorithm is built in to Apple Logic, and was also built
in to the famous Access Virus series keyboards.

There is also a very exciting REAPER plugin under development
by Kite Giedraitis. His very long demo starts here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flqYtOtSeF0

-Carl

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