Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning just intonation, mean-tone playback??

If you can convert Finale files in some way to Lilypond files, Graham
Breed's Lilypond retuner will save the day for you. If not, I vaguely
remember hearing that Jacob Barton had microtonal support in Sibelius
working, so maybe you could try using that as well.

Not sure if anyone has Finale working yet - you should also try asking on
the Facebook Xenharmonic Alliance group.

-Mike

On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:10 PM, "nightingale0@..." <lcrighton@...>
wrote:

No. I've done a lot of choral scores in Finale, and a few in a different
program that I don't remember now, but it was named after a composer.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> Are you familiar with lilypond?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:04 PM, "nightingale0@..." <lcrighton@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am interested in being able to play back finale files in non-equal
> temperaments. Is there any way to do so? (An old thread in the archives
> painted a bleak picture, but I'm hoping things have improved since then!)
> Failing that, is there other software that would give me both notation and
> playback, and not be horrendously complicated to install and run on a mac?
> (A friend keeps mentioning something called Scala, but installing it looks
> like a nightmare!!)
> Thanks!!
>

🔗gbreed@...

There's also the ABC toolchain. The standard MIDI tool does regular tuning and there's MicroABC.
You can get music into LilyPond via MIDI. There's also some support for MusicXML and ABC. I remember something about a Macintosh distribution that I couldn't get working because it hid the command line.

Graham

------Original message------
From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@gmail.com>
To: "tuning@yahoogroups.com" <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:15:39 PM GMT-0500
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: just intonation, mean-tone playback??

Not sure if anyone has Finale working yet - you should also try asking on
the Facebook Xenharmonic Alliance group.

-Mike

On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:10 PM, "nightingale0@..." <lcrighton@...>
wrote:

No. I've done a lot of choral scores in Finale, and a few in a different
program that I don't remember now, but it was named after a composer.

--- In tuning@...m, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> Are you familiar with lilypond?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:04 PM, "nightingale0@..." <lcrighton@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am interested in being able to play back finale files in non-equal
> temperaments. Is there any way to do so? (An old thread in the archives
> painted a bleak picture, but I'm hoping things have improved since then!)
> Failing that, is there other software that would give me both notation and
> playback, and not be horrendously complicated to install and run on a mac?
> (A friend keeps mentioning something called Scala, but installing it looks
> like a nightmare!!)
> Thanks!!
>

🔗Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...>

First of all, installing Scala on a mac can't be that bad of a nightmare. Ask Mike, he's done it. It's useful for a lot of things.

Second of all, you might know this already but I'm going to spell it out: The big problem with rendering existing music in non-equal, non-circulating temperaments (such as meantone) is not simply getting those pitches to come out. It's somehow getting the right pitch to come out for the right note, even though two different notes might be the same in 12-equal temperament.

In meantone temperament, this is possible because our notation system is based on meantone. As long as the information about what is a G# versus an Ab (for example)
(1) is correct in the first place (nothing is "misspelled"), and
(2) propagates to the software actually creating the sounds,
then it can work fine.

In fact, if your piece of music happens to use only 12 consecutive notes of meantone (that is, enharmonic notes like G# and Ab never both occur in the same piece), then you don't even have to worry about that. But you do have to choose the *correct* 12 notes, again so that everything is "spelled" correctly.

In just intonation, forget about it! The majority of familiar music simply cannot work in JI, because of puns, essentially tempered chords, and comma pumps. Once you know what C is, what is D - is it 10/9 or 9/8 above C? It could even be 729/640! There's no well-defined way to tell which is best, even if you analyze the music in detail.

(If you have adaptive JI software you can do adaptive JI, but that's really a different thing.)

If you want to do meantone and your pieces of music have only 12 consecutive notes each along the circle of fifths, then it's easy. All you need is some (software or hardware) MIDI instrument that can be retuned. Scala is able to retune many things: http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/#features

If you want to do meantone but your music has enharmonically related notes in the same piece, then it's more difficult but still doable.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "gbreed@..." <gbreed@...> wrote:
> You can get music into LilyPond via MIDI. There's also some support for MusicXML and ABC. I remember something about a Macintosh distribution that I couldn't get working because it hid the command line.

You can get music into Lilypond via MIDI - but that replaces all enharmonically related notes by the same thing, right? The notes G# and Ab have the same MIDI note number, so this converter must pick one spelling arbitrarily - and half the time it will be the incorrect spelling.

Keenan

🔗Wolf Peuker <wolfpeuker@...>

🔗Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...>

🔗gbreed@...

Converting through MIDI will lose any information that isn't in the MIDI. If you started with JI, that's going to include some pitch information so you'll have to go in and fix it.
The cleanest conversion for standard notation should be through MusicXML. I can't vouch for Lilypond's support. Last I remember they were trying to improve it.
Lilypond can handle more than twelve note octaves from MIDI. Search for the word I made up: scordablature. I believe Finale also supports such scales based on a really old tuning list post.
There shouldn't be a problem with Lilypond on a Mac. I was remembering wrong before.

Graham

------Original message------
From: Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:59:59 AM GMT-0000
Subject: [tuning] Re: just intonation, mean-tone playback??

First of all, installing Scala on a mac can't be that bad of a nightmare. Ask Mike, he's done it. It's useful for a lot of things.

(If you have adaptive JI software you can do adaptive JI, but that's really a different thing.)

If you want to do meantone but your music has enharmonically related notes in the same piece, then it's more difficult but still doable.

Keenan

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