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Quasisuper beats out superpyth in the temperament finder for 17p&22p?

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

11/17/2011 9:15:47 PM

http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17_22&limit=7

#1 result: quasisuper
Complexity 2.465117
Adjusted Error 5.414273 cents
TE Error 1.928603 cents/octave

#2 result: superpyth
Complexity 1.759998
Adjusted Error 5.380956 cents
TE Error 1.916735 cents/octave

Shouldn't superpyth win by a mile...?

-Mike

🔗Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...>

11/17/2011 11:12:08 PM

This subject line is wrong because "17p & 22p", as a pair of specific vals, represents a unique temperament, which is superpyth ( http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17p_22p&limit=7 ).

The question is why quasisuper appears first in the results for "17 & 22" (no specific vals). I don't know the answer to that.

It could have something to do with the fact that 17c appears before 17p tho:
http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17&limit=7

Keenan

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

11/18/2011 12:55:29 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:

> The question is why quasisuper appears first in the results for "17 & 22" (no specific vals). I don't know the answer to that.

How do you get it to do 17&22 and not get just one temperament?

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

11/18/2011 5:42:11 AM

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
>
> This subject line is wrong because "17p & 22p", as a pair of specific vals, represents a unique temperament, which is superpyth ( http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17p_22p&limit=7 ).

Oh whoops, you're right. I don't know why I changed that.

> The question is why quasisuper appears first in the results for "17 & 22" (no specific vals). I don't know the answer to that.
>
> It could have something to do with the fact that 17c appears before 17p tho:
> http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17&limit=7

I don't know if I ever remember seeing it that way before (the 17&22
result, not 17c over 17p). A while ago, Graham sent an email that he
was overhauling things and to note if anything weird happened, so
maybe this is related to that.

-Mike

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

11/18/2011 5:43:22 AM

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:55 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
>
> > The question is why quasisuper appears first in the results for "17 & 22" (no specific vals). I don't know the answer to that.
>
> How do you get it to do 17&22 and not get just one temperament?

That's the way it automatically works for ambiguous temperaments. If
you go to Graham's "Temperament Class From ETs" link, you can just
type in 17 and 22 without the "p" and if it's ambiguous, it'll give
you the possible results.

-Mike

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

11/18/2011 9:19:28 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:55 AM, genewardsmith
> <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> > How do you get it to do 17&22 and not get just one temperament?
>
> That's the way it automatically works for ambiguous temperaments. If
> you go to Graham's "Temperament Class From ETs" link, you can just
> type in 17 and 22 without the "p" and if it's ambiguous, it'll give
> you the possible results.

It doesn't for me.

🔗Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...>

11/18/2011 10:48:19 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:55 AM, genewardsmith
> > <genewardsmith@> wrote:
>
> > > How do you get it to do 17&22 and not get just one temperament?
> >
> > That's the way it automatically works for ambiguous temperaments. If
> > you go to Graham's "Temperament Class From ETs" link, you can just
> > type in 17 and 22 without the "p" and if it's ambiguous, it'll give
> > you the possible results.
>
> It doesn't for me.

Are you saying that this query:

http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17+22&limit=7

gives you only one temperament, even if you scroll down the page?

Keenan

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

11/18/2011 11:09:54 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:

> Are you saying that this query:
>
> http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17+22&limit=7
>
> gives you only one temperament, even if you scroll down the page?

Sorry, I didn't realize there was anything below the quasisuper comma list.

🔗Graham Breed <gbreed@...>

11/18/2011 12:10:20 PM

Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=17_22&limit=7
>
> #1 result: quasisuper
> Complexity 2.465117
> Adjusted Error 5.414273 cents
> TE Error 1.928603 cents/octave
>
> #2 result: superpyth
> Complexity 1.759998
> Adjusted Error 5.380956 cents
> TE Error 1.916735 cents/octave
>
> Shouldn't superpyth win by a mile...?

Yes, if it were a competition, but it isn't. Quasisuper
has the better mapping of 17 and that's how they're ordered.

Graham