Pronunciations

I've always had trouble figuring the pronunciation for temperament names. Could you guys help me out with the pronunciations?

My (Personal) List of Phonetically Ambiguous Temperaments:

Mavila: I generally make it rhyme with "vanilla" when I say it, though I realize that the accentuation is just as likely to be on the first vowel as the second.

Pajara/Pajaric: Is the 'j' pronounced like the Spanish j, Baltic/Hebrew j or American j?

Myna: Does it rhyme with "Lima" or "Lime-uh?"

Pelogic: Does it retain the original pronunciation of "pelog?" The 'i' throws me off here, because when a 'g' is followed by an 'i' it usually becomes a hard consonant instead of a soft consonant.

Ryan

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Ryan Avella <domeofatonement@...> wrote:
>
> I've always had trouble figuring the pronunciation for temperament names. Could you guys help me out with the pronunciations?
>
> My (Personal) List of Phonetically Ambiguous Temperaments:
>
> Mavila: I generally make it rhyme with "vanilla" when I say it, though I realize that the accentuation is just as likely to be on the first vowel as the second.

I say it like "muh-VEE-la."

> Pajara/Pajaric: Is the 'j' pronounced like the Spanish j, Baltic/Hebrew j or American j?

It's pronounced like in "jog" or something. It stands for Paul John
and Ara or something; Paul hooked it up as a shout out to his friends.

> Myna: Does it rhyme with "Lima" or "Lime-uh?"

Man, these are hard.

> Pelogic: Does it retain the original pronunciation of "pelog?" The 'i' throws me off here, because when a 'g' is followed by an 'i' it usually becomes a hard consonant instead of a soft consonant.

I've been saying it with a hard g in "pelog" and a soft g in
"pelogic." Not sure.

Anyone figured out "diesis" yet? I thought it was "DIE-uh-sis" but
then Paul Erlich was like "die-EE-sis."

-Mike

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> I've been saying it with a hard g in "pelog" and a soft g in
> "pelogic." Not sure.

I'd assume that "pelogic" sounds like "pelog+ick," although it is more difficult to pronounce than "peh-logic."

> Anyone figured out "diesis" yet? I thought it was "DIE-uh-sis" but
> then Paul Erlich was like "die-EE-sis."

Yeah I've always said "die-EE-sis." Dictionary.com supports your pronunciation however, so I guess that you are correct and that Paul and I are wrong.

Ryan

> > Mavila: I generally make it rhyme with "vanilla" when I
> > say it, though I realize that the accentuation is just
> > as likely to be on the first vowel as the second.
>
> I say it like "muh-VEE-la."

I say it like Ryan but I don't know how the Chopi say it.

> > Pajara/Pajaric: Is the 'j' pronounced like the
> > Spanish j, Baltic/Hebrew j or American j?
>
> It's pronounced like in "jog" or something. It stands for
> Paul John and Ara or something; Paul hooked it up as a shout
> out to his friends.

It was the name of Paul & Ara's act at the AFMM concert
where "decatonic swing" was performed. I've always used
the soft j ("zh").

> > Myna: Does it rhyme with "Lima" or "Lime-uh?"
>
> Man, these are hard.

Myna is a female name, rhyming with Mario's home town.

> > Pelogic: Does it retain the original pronunciation of
> > "pelog?" The 'i' throws me off here, because when a 'g'
> is followed by an 'i' it usually becomes a hard consonant
> instead of a soft consonant.
>
> I've been saying it with a hard g in "pelog" and a soft g in
> "pelogic." Not sure.

Pay-logic, I believe.

> Anyone figured out "diesis" yet? I thought it was "DIE-uh-sis" but
> then Paul Erlich was like "die-EE-sis."

Paul says it correctly.

-Carl

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > It's pronounced like in "jog" or something. It stands for
> > Paul John and Ara or something; Paul hooked it up as a shout
> > out to his friends.
>
> It was the name of Paul & Ara's act at the AFMM concert
> where "decatonic swing" was performed. I've always used
> the soft j ("zh").

He told me it was a hard J in person. I was saying it like it was
Spanish or something, like Pahara.

-Mike

Hi Ryan
 
this reminds me of the professor at USF that explained how wrong it was to say  Pythagoras as "pith ag or us", some of you may have heard it as she insists " peeth uh gor ass "  I think you have to hold your little pinky out when you say it, too.
Tim

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Ryan Avella <domeofatonement@...> wrote:

From: Ryan Avella <domeofatonement@...>
Subject: [tuning] Re: Pronunciations
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 7:19 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> I've been saying it with a hard g in "pelog" and a soft g in
> "pelogic." Not sure.

I'd assume that "pelogic" sounds like "pelog+ick," although it is more difficult to pronounce than "peh-logic."

> Anyone figured out "diesis" yet? I thought it was "DIE-uh-sis" but
> then Paul Erlich was like "die-EE-sis."

Yeah I've always said "die-EE-sis."  Dictionary.com supports your pronunciation however, so I guess that you are correct and that Paul and I are wrong.

Ryan

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> > > Mavila: I generally make it rhyme with "vanilla" when I
> > > say it, though I realize that the accentuation is just
> > > as likely to be on the first vowel as the second.
> >
> > I say it like "muh-VEE-la."
>
> I say it like Ryan but I don't know how the Chopi say it.

Who could we refer to for the correct pronunciation? I'm just curious, because i hate pronouncing it know that I've never heard it said once in my life.

> Myna is a female name, rhyming with Mario's home town.

Italy??

> Paul says it correctly.

Then I'm curious why all of the pronunciation sites have it wrong? Well at least I know someone else supports my flavor of pronunciation in addition to Paul.

Ryan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> He told me it was a hard J in person. I was saying it like it was
> Spanish or something, like Pahara.

Hahahaha, me too! I wonder why it seems like it should be pronounced that way? Anyway, good to know it's a J as in "jar".

Other ones I wonder about:

* Liese - "Leez"? "Leezee"? "Lee-ez"?
* Sengic (686/675 planar) - hard G like "senga", or soft G?
* Ragisma/ragismic - hard G or soft G?

Keenan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Avella" <domeofatonement@...> wrote:
>
> > I say it like Ryan but I don't know how the Chopi say it.
>
> Who could we refer to for the correct pronunciation? I'm
> just curious, because i hate pronouncing it know that I've
> never heard it said once in my life.

Very hard to find resources on Bantu languages generally,
let alone Chopi.

> > Myna is a female name, rhyming with Mario's home town.
>
> Italy??

Mario often posts from Lima, Peru.

-Carl

"Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:

> > He told me it was a hard J in person. I was saying it like it was
> > Spanish or something, like Pahara.
>
> Hahahaha, me too! I wonder why it seems like it should be
> pronounced that way? Anyway, good to know it's a J as in "jar".

Some people pronounce a certain Phish album that way (after
the middle-American term for a coup) but a hard J is correct
there too.

Too bad, I really feel it sounds much better with "zh"...

> * Ragisma/ragismic - hard G or soft G?

Hard G -- and soft A ("ah")! -Carl

Carl wrote:

> Very hard to find resources on Bantu languages generally,
> let alone Chopi.

Not sure how strong similarities there are between Chopi and Swahili, but Swahili would certainly stress the "i", which is exactly what I'm not doing since I'm more comfortable with stressing the first syllable of anything -- that's the way Czech stresses work in most cases.

Anyway, personally, wherever possible, I try to pronounce the "not specifically English" names similarly as in IPA because that's closer to Czech, which means I've been saying "pajara" incorrectly as in, let's say, German "ja" and with a tongued Italian-like single "r". -- and I thought, indeed, that that was the proper pronunciation since I was somehow associating it with Herman's Yassaro words which really pronounce "j" like that, if I'm not mistaken.

Petr

On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:40 PM, "Keenan Pepper" <keenanpepper@...> wrote:

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> He told me it was a hard J in person. I was saying it like it was
> Spanish or something, like Pahara.

Hahahaha, me too! I wonder why it seems like it should be pronounced that
way? Anyway, good to know it's a J as in "jar".

But injera I think still has the soft j. Sometimes things get complicated.

Other ones I wonder about:

* Liese - "Leez"? "Leezee"? "Lee-ez"?

I say it like "lease."

* Sengic (686/675 planar) - hard G like "senga", or soft G?

Sengic is a bad name with no legit pronunciation. Let's never speak of
686/675 ever again.

* Ragisma/ragismic - hard G or soft G?

I say it like rag, and then isma. I think it's derived from "raga" though,
right? Either way I can't say the "a" in "ragismic" like "ah" in good
conscience.

-Mike

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> * Sengic (686/675 planar) - hard G like "senga", or soft G?
>
> Sengic is a bad name with no legit pronunciation. Let's never speak of
> 686/675 ever again.

...what? But it's a good temperament! I have to call it something.

Keenan

Hi there,

Am 02.08.2011 08:16, schrieb Ryan Avella:
> I've always had trouble figuring the pronunciation for temperament names.

Not only with temperament names can make trouble. What do you think
about adding IPA forms [1] step by step in the xenwiki? Anyone can force
this process by adding the tag "todo:add ipa" to an article.
Of course, there can be mor than one pronounciation...
(I already started tagging [2])

Best regards,
Wolf

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conventions_of_the_International_Phonetic_Alphabet

[2] http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/tag/view/todo%3Aadd%20ipa

On 8/2/2011 2:16 AM, Ryan Avella wrote:
> I've always had trouble figuring the pronunciation for temperament names. Could you guys help me out with the pronunciations?
>
>
> My (Personal) List of Phonetically Ambiguous Temperaments:
>
> Myna: Does it rhyme with "Lima" or "Lime-uh?"

Myna is named after the bird (rhymes with Dinah).

On 8/2/2011 2:26 PM, Petr Parízek wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>
>> Very hard to find resources on Bantu languages generally,
>> let alone Chopi.
>
> Not sure how strong similarities there are between Chopi and Swahili, but
> Swahili would certainly stress the "i", which is exactly what I'm not doing
> since I'm more comfortable with stressing the first syllable of anything --
> that's the way Czech stresses work in most cases.
>
> Anyway, personally, wherever possible, I try to pronounce the "not
> specifically English" names similarly as in IPA because that's closer to
> Czech, which means I've been saying "pajara" incorrectly as in, let's say,
> German "ja" and with a tongued Italian-like single "r". -- and I thought,
> indeed, that that was the proper pronunciation since I was somehow
> associating it with Herman's Yassaro words which really pronounce "j" like
> that, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> Petr

The "y" sound in Yasaro is more like one of the sounds of the letter gamma in Modern Greek (in words like "gyros"), but German "j" is close enough. I use Anglicized spellings of Yasaro words on my Zireen Music page (with the /j/ sound represented as "y"), but I do use "j" in my Yasaro documentation.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
> Mario often posts from Lima, Peru.
>
> -Carl
>

Oh, THAT Mario. I play too much video games, don't mind me.

So how would "myna" be pronounced in his local city?

-Ryan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>
> On 8/2/2011 2:16 AM, Ryan Avella wrote:
> > I've always had trouble figuring the pronunciation for temperament names. Could you guys help me out with the pronunciations?
> >
> >
> > My (Personal) List of Phonetically Ambiguous Temperaments:
> >
> > Myna: Does it rhyme with "Lima" or "Lime-uh?"
>
> Myna is named after the bird (rhymes with Dinah).

Which is a bird of the starling family.

Herman wrote:
> Myna is named after the bird (rhymes with Dinah).

I stand corrected!

Ryan wrote:
> So how would "myna" be pronounced in his local city?

Disregard; Myna doesn't rhyme with Lima (see above).

-Carl