RE: [tuning] recordings in historic tunings

John Carper wrote,

>does any one know of some good recordings of Rameau and/or Couperin? Is it
true that most "original instrument" recordings use period harpsichords
tuned 12et?

I have taped some Rameau in "unequal tuning", don't remember who the
harpsichordist was. According to Daniel Wolf (surprised he hasn't
responded), today most "original instrument" recordings aim for some
authenticity in tuning. Certainly too many still use 12-tET.

While we're on the subject, does anyone have recommendations for CD
recordings of the Bach WTC in unequal tuning? I know of Anthony Newman's but
haven't seem them on CD. Thanks
-Paul

On Fri, 19 May 2000 15:16:38 -0400, "Paul H. Erlich"
<PERLICH@ACADIAN-ASSET.COM> wrote:

>While we're on the subject, does anyone have recommendations for CD
>recordings of the Bach WTC in unequal tuning? I know of Anthony Newman's but
>haven't seem them on CD. Thanks
>-Paul

I like the Gustav Leonhardt recordings, on the Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
label: 77011-2-RG and 77012-2-RG. The exact tuning isn't specified, but
it's "unequal with modifications for individual movements".

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The Leonhardt is a good recommendation, sometimes a bit dull, but
authoritative in many aspects. His recordings generally mark the line
between the era of ET and that of historical tunings, although sometimes
studio contracts with piano tuners may still force players to use ET
instruments. BTW, the earliest non-ET recording of portions of the WTC was
made by the Californian Wesley Kuhnle in the early 1950's.

> On Fri, 19 May 2000 15:16:38 -0400, "Paul H. Erlich"
> <PERLICH@ACADIAN-ASSET.COM> wrote:
>
> >While we're on the subject, does anyone have recommendations for CD
> >recordings of the Bach WTC in unequal tuning? I know of Anthony Newman's
but
> >haven't seem them on CD. Thanks
> >-Paul
>
>Herman Miller answered:
>
> I like the Gustav Leonhardt recordings, on the Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
> label: 77011-2-RG and 77012-2-RG. The exact tuning isn't specified, but
> it's "unequal with modifications for individual movements".
>

Hi,

My name is Al Giusto. I'm new to the list. In reference to recordings in historic tunings
check out Igor Kipnis recordings. All are in some kind of unequal temp. Go to his website and
he has a list of all his recordings. The recording with Bach's Chromatic Fantasy on it is in
Werckmeister 3. Others are on some variable meantone etc. I e-mailed him about the temperments
on his recordings and he responded that all are in some kind of unequal temp.

Al

Steven Kallstrom wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The best Rameau recording is quite possibly the Trevor Pinnock
> recording on CRI, which is in an unequal temp.
> Two Couperin recordings that I suggest are the Kenneth Gilbert
> recordings and the Christophe Rousset. The Rousset is in an unequal
> tuning, and I would assume that the Gilbert is also.
>
> Steven Kallstrom
>
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>>While we're on the subject, does anyone have recommendations for CD
>>recordings of the Bach WTC in unequal tuning? I know of Anthony Newman's
but
>>haven't seem them on CD. Thanks
>>-Paul

Herman Miller wrote,

>I like the Gustav Leonhardt recordings, on the Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
>label: 77011-2-RG and 77012-2-RG. The exact tuning isn't specified, but
>it's "unequal with modifications for individual movements".

How about Book 2? Did Leonhardt record that too?

Wait a minute, let me dive in the cellar, ....
yes here it is.
wipe the dust away, sneeze from the mold.

It's a box with 5 weird large black discs.
harmonia mundi 59 29173-1
das wohltemperierte klavier 1.+2. teil
Gustav Leonhardt, cembalo

I think it's a recording from the early seventies

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul H. Erlich <PERLICH@ACADIAN-ASSET.COM>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: [tuning] recordings in historic tunings

> >>While we're on the subject, does anyone have recommendations for CD
> >>recordings of the Bach WTC in unequal tuning? I know of Anthony Newman's
> but
> >>haven't seem them on CD. Thanks
> >>-Paul
>
> Herman Miller wrote,
>
> >I like the Gustav Leonhardt recordings, on the Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
> >label: 77011-2-RG and 77012-2-RG. The exact tuning isn't specified, but
> >it's "unequal with modifications for individual movements".
>
> How about Book 2? Did Leonhardt record that too?
>
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Kees1 I have wtc 2 myself! I liked how his black record version of the brandenburg came with a
photostat of the orginal score!

Kees van Prooijen wrote:

> Wait a minute, let me dive in the cellar, ....
> yes here it is.
> wipe the dust away, sneeze from the mold.
>
> It's a box with 5 weird large black discs.
> harmonia mundi 59 29173-1
> das wohltemperierte klavier 1.+2. teil
> Gustav Leonhardt, cembalo
>
> I think it's a recording from the early seventies
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul H. Erlich <PERLICH@ACADIAN-ASSET.COM>
> To: <tuning@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 5:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [tuning] recordings in historic tunings
>
> > >>While we're on the subject, does anyone have recommendations for CD
> > >>recordings of the Bach WTC in unequal tuning? I know of Anthony Newman's
> > but
> > >>haven't seem them on CD. Thanks
> > >>-Paul
> >
> > Herman Miller wrote,
> >
> > >I like the Gustav Leonhardt recordings, on the Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
> > >label: 77011-2-RG and 77012-2-RG. The exact tuning isn't specified, but
> > >it's "unequal with modifications for individual movements".
> >
> > How about Book 2? Did Leonhardt record that too?
> >
>

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I don't suspect it is too profound to state that the piano is an instrument
that is almost never tuned by its player. Even the harpsichord is often left
to a "professional" tuner, since there are a plethora of possible tuning
arrangements.

Harpsichordist Kenneth Cooper would give the keys to his apartment to Mark
Lindley so that a new tuning would be in place when he got home. Ken told me
he couldn't really tell the differences. (He had let me tune up for him as
well.)

Gustav Leonhardt may not be much better. In his massive collection of
recordings of the Bach Cantatas there are some truly foul notes. Usually it
is a modern instrument in pain trying to accommodate the earlier tunings.
Horns are especially awful. Playing Bach on the radio, one wonders why these
recordings haven't been recalled, or at the very least, why there isn't a
public explanation released explaining the pioneering nature of the
recordings.

Pianists really just accept what they are given. Perhaps my good fortune in
working with pianist Joshua Pierce needs to be stated for the record since he
really does hear the differences, and more importantly, relishes them.

Jarrett is most beloved by some of my dearest friends, however, he doesn't
really get the significance of the tunings.

Johnny Reinhard
Afmmjr@aol.com

On Wed, 24 May 2000 Afmmjr@aol.com wrote:

> I don't suspect it is too profound to state that the piano is an instrument
> that is almost never tuned by its player. Even the harpsichord is often left
> to a "professional" tuner, since there are a plethora of possible tuning
> arrangements.

Rich and successful harpsichordists often have somebody tune for them
before or during a concert. I don't know anybody who doesn't do their own
several-times-a-week tuning, or at least fixing-up, at home.

Judy