New member in numbers!

Hi everyone!

I thought it would be polite to introduce myself, before you start to read my blurbs and questions!

I'm Jean-Baptiste Collinet, and I dwell in Strasbourg, France.

I'm a musician as well as a theoretician. I hold a doctorate in musicology ( esp. focused on ethnomusicology and organology.)

See you around, Werckmeister VI is calling me!

(I tune harpsichords, sometimes)

PS: a developer friend and I are in the final phase before shipping a microtonal-capable app (from straight 12ET to fretless/665ET via 24ET and 53ET) on iPad as well as iPhone. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about it. We have some issues making it flawlessly working with MIDI. There's also the built-in sound engine that needs the help of an electrical engineer...

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:53 PM, collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I thought it would be polite to introduce myself, before you start to read my blurbs and questions!
>
> I'm Jean-Baptiste Collinet, and I dwell in Strasbourg, France.
>
> I'm a musician as well as a theoretician. I hold a doctorate in musicology ( esp. focused on ethnomusicology and organology.)

Nice, great to have you on board! There's been a lot of discussion on
the interaction of psychoacoustic and cultural/cognitive factors in
the perception of music recently, so perhaps you can help elucidate
further on the cultural side of things. We used to have more
ethnomusicologists on here, but they've all been MIA recently, I'm
afraid.

> PS: a developer friend and I are in the final phase before shipping a microtonal-capable app (from straight 12ET to fretless/665ET via 24ET and 53ET) on iPad as well as iPhone. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about it. We have some issues making it flawlessly working with MIDI. There's also the built-in sound engine that needs the help of an electrical engineer...

Yes, I have a question - do you need beta testers? :)

-Mike

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:53 PM, collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I thought it would be polite to introduce myself, before you start to read my blurbs and questions!
> >
> > I'm Jean-Baptiste Collinet, and I dwell in Strasbourg, France.
> >
> > I'm a musician as well as a theoretician. I hold a doctorate in musicology ( esp. focused on ethnomusicology and organology.)
>
> Nice, great to have you on board! There's been a lot of discussion on
> the interaction of psychoacoustic and cultural/cognitive factors in
> the perception of music recently, so perhaps you can help elucidate
> further on the cultural side of things. We used to have more
> ethnomusicologists on here, but they've all been MIA recently, I'm
> afraid.

Thank you for this warm welcome!

Please ask! Everything about the universality, the meaning, the culture and the context is within my reach and I'll be more than happy to help you!

> > PS: a developer friend and I are in the final phase before shipping a microtonal-capable app (from straight 12ET to fretless/665ET via 24ET and 53ET) on iPad as well as iPhone. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about it. We have some issues making it flawlessly working with MIDI. There's also the built-in sound engine that needs the help of an electrical engineer...
>
> Yes, I have a question - do you need beta testers? :)
>
> -Mike

I'm sorry, we have reached the maximum beta we can deal with: 12 people are much to deal with. We receive many requests, but we turn them off now. I asked my dev partner, and we agreed on shipping being our priority. However, if you are ready to go beyond theory and walk on stage to test the interface when shipped, you're who we need! This thing is meant to be a real instrument (coupled with a good synth rig, it is a blast. We did our first tests with an Ondes Martenot patch!)

Personally, I perform (especially on the chinese Guqin) more than I care about ratios, but it should be the opposite!

-JB

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, collinet <jbcollinet@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for this warm welcome!
>
> Please ask! Everything about the universality, the meaning, the culture and the context is within my reach and I'll be more than happy to help you!

Well, the current discussion is how much musical meaning is derived
from psychoacoustics, and how much is derived from "cultural factors,"
which is really a codeword for "learned schematic structures for
cognizing musical events that somehow produce feelings," so if you
have any insights in that regard feel free to share them!

> > Yes, I have a question - do you need beta testers? :)
> >
> > -Mike
>
> I'm sorry, we have reached the maximum beta we can deal with: 12 people are much to deal with. We receive many requests, but we turn them off now. I asked my dev partner, and we agreed on shipping being our priority. However, if you are ready to go beyond theory and walk on stage to test the interface when shipped, you're who we need! This thing is meant to be a real instrument (coupled with a good synth rig, it is a blast. We did our first tests with an Ondes Martenot patch!)
>
> Personally, I perform (especially on the chinese Guqin) more than I care about ratios, but it should be the opposite!

Haha, alright - it was a shamelessly self-serving request, but I
thought I'd ask anyway. If it can really handle a wide variety of
tuning systems I'll definitely purchase it, I'm just rather impatient
:)

-Mike

welcome to you Jean Baptiste
 
Tim...(maybe better known as "simpletim")

--- On Sun, 7/3/11, collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...> wrote:

From: collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...>
Subject: [tuning] New member in numbers!
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 5:53 PM

Hi everyone!

I thought it would be polite to introduce myself, before you start to read my blurbs and questions!

I'm Jean-Baptiste Collinet, and I dwell in Strasbourg, France.

I'm a musician as well as a theoretician. I hold a doctorate in musicology ( esp. focused on ethnomusicology and organology.)

See you around, Werckmeister VI is calling me!

(I tune harpsichords, sometimes)

PS: a developer friend and I are in the final phase before shipping a microtonal-capable app (from straight 12ET to fretless/665ET via 24ET and 53ET) on iPad as well as iPhone. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about it. We have some issues making it flawlessly working with MIDI. There's also the built-in sound engine that needs the help of an electrical engineer...

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, collinet <jbcollinet@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for this warm welcome!
> >
> > Please ask! Everything about the universality, the meaning, the culture and the context is within my reach and I'll be more than happy to help you!
>
> Well, the current discussion is how much musical meaning is derived
> from psychoacoustics, and how much is derived from "cultural factors,"
> which is really a codeword for "learned schematic structures for
> cognizing musical events that somehow produce feelings," so if you
> have any insights in that regard feel free to share them!
>

I do have!
It may be sounding straightforward, but over time I learnt that if there should be clutter at any point of time, the latest is the worst.

I can simply put (a part of) my theory of musically produced feelings. It is just my opinion and in no way a finite thinking: it can expand or morph.

We all know that though music is universal, its meaning is not.

The meaning of music is directly linked to culture and context.

As an example, the Basonge tribe in Congo think that when you're singing, you're making music, and when you're angry, you're making noise.

So, what is noise and music for the Basonge? Music can only be produced by a human being, whereas noise is everything that is not human. It means that being angry is losing one's human form.

In this case, it is not music which produces feelings, but a cognitive scheme of what music is or is not. Music by itself doesn't produce anything at all if it is not given a meaning.

> > > Yes, I have a question - do you need beta testers? :)
> > >
> > > -Mike
> >
> > I'm sorry, we have reached the maximum beta we can deal with: 12 people are much to deal with. We receive many requests, but we turn them off now. I asked my dev partner, and we agreed on shipping being our priority. However, if you are ready to go beyond theory and walk on stage to test the interface when shipped, you're who we need! This thing is meant to be a real instrument (coupled with a good synth rig, it is a blast. We did our first tests with an Ondes Martenot patch!)
> >
> > Personally, I perform (especially on the chinese Guqin) more than I care about ratios, but it should be the opposite!
>
> Haha, alright - it was a shamelessly self-serving request, but I
> thought I'd ask anyway. If it can really handle a wide variety of
> tuning systems I'll definitely purchase it, I'm just rather impatient
> :)
>
> -Mike
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Tim Reeves <reevest360@...> wrote:
>
> welcome to you Jean Baptiste
>  
> Tim...(maybe better known as "simpletim")

Nice to meet you, simpletim!
You can (everyone can) call me JB, or Jean, to shorten. Feel free to find other nicknames as we get to know each other. You could already call me "rowdy JB", even though I'm very quiet as a person and love simplicity!
>
> --- On Sun, 7/3/11, collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...>
> Subject: [tuning] New member in numbers!
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 5:53 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I thought it would be polite to introduce myself, before you start to read my blurbs and questions!
>
> I'm Jean-Baptiste Collinet, and I dwell in Strasbourg, France.
>
> I'm a musician as well as a theoretician. I hold a doctorate in musicology ( esp. focused on ethnomusicology and organology.)
>
> See you around, Werckmeister VI is calling me!
>
> (I tune harpsichords, sometimes)
>
> PS: a developer friend and I are in the final phase before shipping a microtonal-capable app (from straight 12ET to fretless/665ET via 24ET and 53ET) on iPad as well as iPhone. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about it. We have some issues making it flawlessly working with MIDI. There's also the built-in sound engine that needs the help of an electrical engineer...
>
>
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cool JB,  I'm a little rowdy *for an ol guy) as well.   Hey I've got a good friend in France, near the Swiss border...his name is Tom Cat Blake.  great blues man!!! more later...
Tim

--- On Mon, 7/4/11, collinet <jbcollinet@...> wrote:

From: collinet <jbcollinet@...>
Subject: [tuning] Re: New member in numbers!
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 12:18 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Tim Reeves <reevest360@...> wrote:
>
> welcome to you Jean Baptiste
>  
> Tim...(maybe better known as "simpletim")

Nice to meet you, simpletim!
You can (everyone can) call me JB, or Jean, to shorten. Feel free to find other nicknames as we get to know each other. You could already call me "rowdy JB", even though I'm very quiet as a person and love simplicity!
>
> --- On Sun, 7/3/11, collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: collinet <collinet_jeanbaptiste@...>
> Subject: [tuning] New member in numbers!
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 5:53 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I thought it would be polite to introduce myself, before you start to read my blurbs and questions!
>
> I'm Jean-Baptiste Collinet, and I dwell in Strasbourg, France.
>
> I'm a musician as well as a theoretician. I hold a doctorate in musicology ( esp. focused on ethnomusicology and organology.)
>
> See you around, Werckmeister VI is calling me!
>
> (I tune harpsichords, sometimes)
>
> PS: a developer friend and I are in the final phase before shipping a microtonal-capable app (from straight 12ET to fretless/665ET via 24ET and 53ET) on iPad as well as iPhone. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about it. We have some issues making it flawlessly working with MIDI. There's also the built-in sound engine that needs the help of an electrical engineer...
>
>
>
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "collinet" <jbcollinet@...> wrote:

> I do have!
> It may be sounding straightforward, but over time I learnt that if there should
> be clutter at any point of time, the latest is the worst.
> I can simply put (a part of) my theory of musically produced feelings. It is
> just my opinion and in no way a finite thinking: it can expand or morph.
> We all know that though music is universal, its meaning is not.
> The meaning of music is directly linked to culture and context.
> As an example, the Basonge tribe in Congo think that when you're singing,
> you're making music, and when you're angry, you're making noise.
> So, what is noise and music for the Basonge? Music can only be produced
> by a human being, whereas noise is everything that is not human. It means
> that being angry is losing one's human form.
> In this case, it is not music which produces feelings, but a cognitive scheme
> of what music is or is not. Music by itself doesn't produce anything at all if
> it is not given a meaning.

A very beautiful story. Thanks for sharing! -Carl