Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning-math Names for MIDI units

Hi Joe,
<<in view of the fact that so many instruments use
7-bit precision, i suppose we really need another
new term to represent one degree of 768edo.
any suggestions?>>

It was mentioned that the 12-bit bend is not unique to cakewalk, and you said that your names were provisional, so how about we simplify all of the existing names in the process of finding one for 7-bit?

( ) Use 'midi unit' = mu instead of 'pitch unit'. So, 'midipu' just becomes 'mu', pronounced 'mew', pl. 'mus' pronounced 'mews'.
( ) Use prefixes for different types of mu ... how about 1 letter for 1 byte and 2 letters for 2 bytes. I dunno, default to Greek? 7 = epta (or hepta), 12 = dodeca, 14 = dekatessera, so

7-bit = 'emu', (pronounced 'eemew', pl. 'emus' pronounced 'eemews')
12-bit = 'domu', (= 'doemew', pl. 'domus' = 'doemews')
14-bit = 'demu', (= 'deemew', pl. 'demus' = 'deemews')

I suppose we could go with 'extra precision' for 14 bit and call it 'exmu', which sounds hip.

Any other ideas?

Aaron

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, pitchcolor@a... wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> <<in view of the fact that so many instruments use
> 7-bit precision, i suppose we really need another
> new term to represent one degree of 768edo.
> any suggestions?>>
>
> It was mentioned that the 12-bit bend is not unique to cakewalk,
and you said that your names were provisional, so how about we
simplify all of the existing names in the process of finding one for
7-bit?
>
> ( ) Use 'midi unit' = mu instead of 'pitch unit'. So, 'midipu' just
becomes 'mu', pronounced 'mew', pl. 'mus' pronounced 'mews'.
> ( ) Use prefixes for different types of mu ... how about 1 letter
for 1 byte and 2 letters for 2 bytes. I dunno, default to Greek? 7 =
epta (or hepta), 12 = dodeca, 14 = dekatessera, so
>
> 7-bit = 'emu', (pronounced 'eemew', pl. 'emus' pronounced 'eemews')
> 12-bit = 'domu', (= 'doemew', pl. 'domus' = 'doemews')
> 14-bit = 'demu', (= 'deemew', pl. 'demus' = 'deemews')
>
> I suppose we could go with 'extra precision' for 14 bit and call
it 'exmu', which sounds hip.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Aaron

was the quicktime resolution verified to be 3072 (=9-bit?) parts per
octave? if so, it's a *far* better choice for emulating 5-limit ji
harmonies -- in fact, it lies on the "atomic" 5-limit uber-
temperament line (and all the ets that do are multiples of 12,
following from kirnberger's construction of 12-tone equal temperament
by subtracting the schisma from the just fifth to approximate the ET
fifth, the error being 1/12 of the "atomic comma"), as you can see on
the deepest zoom level of the graph at:

http://www.sonic-arts.org/dict/eqtemp.htm

its worst error is about 0.016 cents in the 5-limit.

🔗monz <monz@attglobal.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: <pitchcolor@aol.com>
To: <tuning-math@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [tuning-math] Names for MIDI units

> Hi Joe,
> <<in view of the fact that so many instruments use
> 7-bit precision, i suppose we really need another
> new term to represent one degree of 768edo.
> any suggestions?>>
>
> It was mentioned that the 12-bit bend is not unique to cakewalk, and you
said that your names were provisional, so how about we simplify all of the
existing names in the process of finding one for 7-bit?
>
> ( ) Use 'midi unit' = mu instead of 'pitch unit'. So, 'midipu' just
becomes 'mu', pronounced 'mew', pl. 'mus' pronounced 'mews'.
> ( ) Use prefixes for different types of mu ... how about 1 letter for 1
byte and 2 letters for 2 bytes. I dunno, default to Greek? 7 = epta (or
hepta), 12 = dodeca, 14 = dekatessera, so
>
> 7-bit = 'emu', (pronounced 'eemew', pl. 'emus' pronounced 'eemews')
> 12-bit = 'domu', (= 'doemew', pl. 'domus' = 'doemews')
> 14-bit = 'demu', (= 'deemew', pl. 'demus' = 'deemews')
>
> I suppose we could go with 'extra precision' for 14 bit and call it
'exmu', which sounds hip.
>
> Any other ideas?

hmmm ... i think those are some good suggestions!

"domu" and "demu" are both shorter and nicer-sounding
than "cawapu" and "midipu". they're also a little
too similar, which leads me to preferring "exmu" for
"demu".

i think i might go with this, especially since the
idea of using the Greek prefixes makes it a nice
logical system, which i always like.

so if Quicktime *does* use 9-bit resolution, then
i guess we have "nomu" too?

i'm thinking actually that the longer names which
use a fuller Greek prefix are better:

7-bit = eptamu
12-bit = dodecamu
14-bit = dekatessemu

think about it ... no-one's using 14-bit, so who
cares if you can't spell "dekatessemu"?

ah, maybe i like the shorter versions after all ...

feedback on this from a few others would be most appreciated.

-monz

🔗pitchcolor@aol.com

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗pitchcolor@aol.com

Hi Gene,

you wrote:

<<I like the longer names better, but would prefer heptamu over eptamu.
I haven't seen the "dekatesse" prefix before; does anyone know if
there is a standard Greek prefix for 14? Would "tetradecamu" maybe be
better?
>>

I think 'dekatesse' is standard:

http://langintro.com/greek/numbers/count1.htm
http://www.smartphrase.com/Greek/gr_numbers_voc.shtml
http://www.agni.gr/learn_greek/numbers.htm

Aaron

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗monz <monz@attglobal.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@svpal.org>
To: <tuning-math@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: [tuning-math] Re: Names for MIDI units

> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, pitchcolor@a... wrote:
>
> > I think 'dekatesse' is standard:
>
> I don't think modern Greek should be the standard--the usual
> proceedure is to steal from a dead language--Greek, Latin, or even
> old Norse.

'dekatesse" is ancient Greek. the modern version
has "th" instead of "d" at the beginning.

i think perhaps the most correct Greek name
for the 14-bit "midipu" is "dekatesseramu",
which is getting rather long.

-monz

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗monz <monz@attglobal.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@svpal.org>
To: <tuning-math@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:01 AM
Subject: [tuning-math] Re: Names for MIDI units

> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> > i think perhaps the most correct Greek name
> > for the 14-bit "midipu" is "dekatesseramu",
> > which is getting rather long.
>
> Could you live with "dekatessamu"?

umm, that was *my* original suggestion!

i like the idea of using these Greek prefixes.
and "mu" at the end sounds better than "pu".

-monz