Esurientes implevit from Bach's Magnificat

I did this in both 12-et and in 133-et, using 132 steps of it as a flat
octave, and so approximating the "canonical" Dominant Seventh
temperament mapping. The files

/tuning-math/files/gene/magni132.mid

and

http://groups.yahoo.com.group/tuning-math/files/gene/magni133.mid

I prefer the canonical version with flat octaves. Anyone else have an
opinion?

>/tuning-math/files/gene/magni132.mid
>
>and
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com.group/tuning-math/files/gene/magni133.mid
>
>I prefer the canonical version with flat octaves. Anyone else have
>an opinion?

Yahoo's case-sensitive -- "Gene". Must run on unix...

Gene, you might try converting your Scala files from Windows to
Unix linebreaks before opening them, using a text editor such as
EditPad Lite.

I think the canonical version sounds more just in some sense,
though it seems slightly melodically warped.

So this is done with a simple 12-to-12 mapping? Can you upload
the scala file you used?

-Carl

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> So this is done with a simple 12-to-12 mapping? Can you upload
> the scala file you used?

Here's the Scala .scl file. To get the 12-et version, simply change
the line "0 equal 133" to "0 equal 132".

0 tempo 135 pm
0 exclude 10
0 velocity 110
0 frequency 85
0 equal 133

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>> So this is done with a simple 12-to-12 mapping? Can you upload
>> the scala file you used?
>
>Here's the Scala .scl file. To get the 12-et version, simply change
>the line "0 equal 133" to "0 equal 132".

That's a .seq file, no?

-Carl

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> >> So this is done with a simple 12-to-12 mapping? Can you upload
> >> the scala file you used?
> >
> >Here's the Scala .scl file. To get the 12-et version, simply change
> >the line "0 equal 133" to "0 equal 132".
>
> That's a .seq file, no?

Sorry, yes! Scala will convert it to a midi file if you save it as
something.scl, load an abitrary scale file, and under "tools" invoke
the transform to midi file.

>>>Here's the Scala .scl file. To get the 12-et version, simply change
>>>the line "0 equal 133" to "0 equal 132".
>>
>> That's a .seq file, no?
>
>Sorry, yes! Scala will convert it to a midi file if you save it as
>something.scl, load an abitrary scale file, and under "tools" invoke
>the transform to midi file.

Sure, but how many pitches does it require, and which ones did you
use for magni133.mid?

-C.

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> >>>Here's the Scala .scl file. To get the 12-et version, simply change
> >>>the line "0 equal 133" to "0 equal 132".
> >>
> >> That's a .seq file, no?
> >
> >Sorry, yes! Scala will convert it to a midi file if you save it as
> >something.scl, load an abitrary scale file, and under "tools" invoke
> >the transform to midi file.
>
> Sure, but how many pitches does it require, and which ones did you
> use for magni133.mid?

I didn't count them, but it would be the same number for both, because
I'm using the same numbers and only interpreting them differently (as
either 132 or 133 et.) Of course from a goofed-up midi standard
perspective, the two situations are quite different.

>I didn't count them, but it would be the same number for both, because
>I'm using the same numbers and only interpreting them differently (as
>either 132 or 133 et.) Of course from a goofed-up midi standard
>perspective, the two situations are quite different.

Does this mean the 132-et version is not in 12-et?

Looks like I should learn how to use seq files...

...what the hell is a "ladder"? Manuel, have you considered making
a seq_format.html file?

In the meantime, what are these numbers...

a......b...c..
1 note 253 120

I'm guessing...

a= timestamp
b= degrees of scale, including octaves???
c= duration

-Carl

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> >I didn't count them, but it would be the same number for both, because
> >I'm using the same numbers and only interpreting them differently (as
> >either 132 or 133 et.) Of course from a goofed-up midi standard
> >perspective, the two situations are quite different.
>
> Does this mean the 132-et version is not in 12-et?

Certainly it is. Each note is 11 times what it would be if I had asked
Scala to render a normal 12-et file. In general, if you take a Scala
file in n-et, multiply each note by an integer m, and then change the
header so that you are in n*m et, the result is exactly the same. If
you change the header so that you are in n*m+1 or n*m-1 et, you get
octave-adjusted renditions. Manuel could probably easily add an octave
adjuster to Scala retuning, actually.

> Looks like I should learn how to use seq files...
>
> ...what the hell is a "ladder"? Manuel, have you considered making
> a seq_format.html file?

Eh? What are you referring to?

> In the meantime, what are these numbers...
>
> a......b...c..
> 1 note 253 120
>
> I'm guessing...
>
> a= timestamp
> b= degrees of scale, including octaves???
> c= duration

Exactly.

>> Does this mean the 132-et version is not in 12-et?
>
>Certainly it is.

Thanks. It sure sounded like it.

>> Looks like I should learn how to use seq files...
>>
>> ...what the hell is a "ladder"? Manuel, have you considered making
>> a seq_format.html file?
>
>Eh? What are you referring to?

The help for "example" talks about "ladders".

>> In the meantime, what are these numbers...
>>
>> a......b...c..
>> 1 note 253 120
>>
>> I'm guessing...
>>
>> a= timestamp
>> b= degrees of scale, including octaves???
>> c= duration
>
>Exactly.

Thanks.

-C.

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
> Manuel could probably easily add an octave
> adjuster to Scala retuning, actually.

i thought it already had one.