First, a generic comment to all.

I am cross-posting this message to just two groups,

tuning and tuning-math,

because some of the answers come back to me

from tuning,

and some come back from

tuning-math.

So: I am trying explain myself to both

groups. Although some in both groups want me to send

to only ONE group, I have yet to figure out why. I

have gotten answers from both groups. The DELETE button

is on my computer and gets used on messages that do not

speak to me. But some insist on emailing me off-list

and asking me to cease. OK: I get the message.

To ALL: if my sig file is clicked, it can be seen that

I was a professor of world literature classics over three

decades, among other unrelated odd jobs, including

being a motion picture projectionist for 23 years, mostly

summers. I have not been idle, as apparently have none

of you. I am also an author, and am working on another

book, ON THE GENERAL THEORY OF ORDER. It might be also

subtitled Music of the Spheres. I am not sure yet. Time

will tell.

Two decades ago, I published

a couple science papers on the broad topics: MUSIC OF THE SPHERES,

BODE'S LAW EXPLAINED,

ON THE SPECIAL THEORY OF ORDER [in contradistiction to Einstein's

"relativity theory": I consider his theory a statistical theory

within the larger GENERAL THEORY OF ORDER. I do not wish to go

into details, on these music theory lists, which may surprise and

also please some.] A few members and I have an off-list correspondence.

I hope to have my papers online for those so interested, as someone

who you all know has them now. I believe the content will interest

musicologists with theoretic minds.

After my initial papers two decades ago, Guy Murchie called me, and

asked to write a paper about me for The Old Farmer's Almanac. As a

prerequisite, he invited me to his house in New Hampshire to conduct

a symposium on the subject. To my surprise, when I got there, there

were two dozen mathematicians, scientists, mostly astrophysicists,

physicists, and musicologists. Murchie was a Harvardian, which was

right down the road in Boston. I was stunned to lecture to those pure

science minds, as I was a THEORIST, but it went well, and the rest

is history. At this point: I am working on a last paper entitled

ON THE GENERAL THEORY OF ORDER. That is the reason for my questions

to trained musicologists. I apologize to those who found me a distraction,

or boring, or whatever. Unbeknownst to all, a few have emailed me off-list,

and some have become communicators and others wished to take me to task.

It makes sense to me that members should answer questions if they wish,

rather than lecture members and create ad hominems which only tend to

shut down communication.

I wish to thank Pauline, Joe S and Joe M. I am not disappearing,

but I am to become a lurker. I have NOT gotten ALL my answers from you all,

but you all have been for the most part kind and gracious, and I thank

you. To those who were annoyed, so be it. I did not mean to be that,

figuring musicologists were interested in music theory. I guess I was

wrong. If I was not, those who care need to speak up. Otherwise, I will

lurk.

As said above: I KNEW Guy Murchie, have devoured his book

MUSIC OF THE SPHERES. Please understand, I have a vast library, and

have read many many many many many many many books on the subjects I

am putting forth. If you wonder why 7 manys, you might enjoy

Hemingway's HILLS LIKE WHITE ELEPHANTS

I know Pythagoras, et al., as anyone

who has read my papers will know. I have read more books than

I care to delineate.

As I stated in my papers

ALL sciences are based on MATHEMATICS. Anyone who does not

agree with me on that is in DISAGREEMENT with me. So be it.

As I said in my BODE'S LAW EXPLAINED paper, and what impressed

Murchie was just THAT. I argued that MATH is the basis of

MUSIC OF THE SPHERES. It take PHYSICS to EXPLAIN the relationships

of the ENTITIES observed by their mathematical trails, regardless

of the DISCIPLINE. I believe the (a) MATH and (b) PHYSICS relationship

as I stated in this paragraph, implicitly.

Because you all have ADVANCED TUNING and TUNING-MATH beyond that

of Murchie and others of two decades ago, things have changed.

I had hoped that some of you could assist me. In fact, I did

open up a few discussions which Pauline and others added to re:

Organs. But it was a MEMBER who asked me NOT to take my thoughts

off list.

Now, I am NOT so sure. No, I do not have all my answers, and will

lurk and at some point ask a question, down the road, and answer those

who query me about my ideas re: Music of the Spheres.

It is the minds of musicologists which can assist the topic. Do not

forget that Pythagoras, et al., developed these theses millenniums ago,

and it can take another couple millenniums to resolve the questions.

For those NOT interest in the subject, I apologize for bring it up.

In conclusion: if someone KNOWS of a message board which WELCOMES a

discussion of MUSIC OF THE SPHERES and the MATH and PHYSICS thereof,

let me know. I will take my question THERE.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Arnold

billarnoldfla@yahoo.com

http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

Independent Scholar

Independent Scholar, Modern Language Association

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--- In tuning-math@y..., Bill Arnold <billarnoldfla@y...> wrote:

> So: I am trying explain myself to both

> groups. Although some in both groups want me to send

> to only ONE group, I have yet to figure out why.

Most people subscribed to this list are also subscribed to tuning, so there is no need to cross-post here simply to reach the people who read this list. Things posted here should usually have something mathematical about them.

> In conclusion: if someone KNOWS of a message board which WELCOMES a

> discussion of MUSIC OF THE SPHERES and the MATH and PHYSICS thereof,

> let me know. I will take my question THERE.

I thought someone had made a list for that very topic.

hello Bill,

> From: "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@juno.com>

> To: <tuning-math@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:07 AM

> Subject: [tuning-math] Re: MUSIC OF THE SPHERES

> --- In tuning-math@y..., Bill Arnold <billarnoldfla@y...> wrote:

>

> > In conclusion: if someone KNOWS of a message board which WELCOMES a

> > discussion of MUSIC OF THE SPHERES and the MATH and PHYSICS thereof,

> > let me know. I will take my question THERE.

>

> I thought someone had made a list for that very topic.

i know you already subscribe, and i also know that

your questions have gone unanswered by members of the

celestial-tuning list, but if you're going to lurk on

tuning and tuning-math, i encourage you to keep posting

there on celestial-tunings as your work is entirely

relevant to the subject matter of that group.

(and this time *i'll* aplogize for the cross-post)

-monz

Hi, tuning-math members.

As per some member's request not to cross-post,

not Joe Monz,

I am no longer posting to tuning-math,

but to tuning and celestial-tuning.

For those not on tuning or celestial-tuning

who wish to view posts about MUSIC OF THE SPHERES,

please join or view the other message boards online.

It is unfortunate because Joe Monz sent a Pythagorean

message to tuning-math and I wanted to respond,

/tuning-math/files/dict/pythag.htm

but believe my response belongs on celestial-tuning

and tuning if I cannot cross-post to all three. But

I am not sure his message was posted to either of the

other two. It all reminds me of Robert Frost's poem:

"Departmentalization."

Bill Arnold

billarnoldfla@yahoo.com

http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

Independent Scholar

Independent Scholar, Modern Language Association

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--- monz <monz@attglobal.net> wrote:

> hello Bill,

>

>

> > From: "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@juno.com>

> > To: <tuning-math@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:07 AM

> > Subject: [tuning-math] Re: MUSIC OF THE SPHERES

>

>

> > --- In tuning-math@y..., Bill Arnold <billarnoldfla@y...> wrote:

> >

> > > In conclusion: if someone KNOWS of a message board which WELCOMES a

> > > discussion of MUSIC OF THE SPHERES and the MATH and PHYSICS thereof,

> > > let me know. I will take my question THERE.

> >

> > I thought someone had made a list for that very topic.

>

>

> /celestial-tuning/

>

>

> i know you already subscribe, and i also know that

> your questions have gone unanswered by members of the

> celestial-tuning list, but if you're going to lurk on

> tuning and tuning-math, i encourage you to keep posting

> there on celestial-tunings as your work is entirely

> relevant to the subject matter of that group.

>

> (and this time *i'll* apologize for the cross-post)

>

>

> -monz

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