>Ekmelic is a generic German term used to describe prime harmonics greater

>than 5.

You mean ekmelisch; I don't know if that's exactly true. If I

remember correctly it comes from the Greek words ek=out and

melos=series so it means "out of the normal range". So in that

sense it can be seen as the equivalent of Ivor Darreg's term

"xenharmonic". The opposite term is emmelisch.

Manuel>>

Hi and thanks for the info; I meant to point out that the term is widely used

in reference to just intonation rather than equal tunings, as your note

verifies. "Ekmelisch" may be roughly equivalent to "xenharmonic" but I think

it is important to point out that "ekmelisch" does actually refer to

"harmonics;" hence "series," rather than to some arbitrary "unusual tuning."

More specifically, it refers to harmonics which are above those associated

with traditional Western music - those of 7 and beyond. Martin Vogel used

the term to describe prime harmonics 7 and beyond in his books "the future of

Music", "the number 7 in music", and "on the relations of tone" (all in

German of course) The use of the term "ekmelisch" in other texts (Ernst

Bindel et al) is consistent with this, however, the international conferences

which were hosted by the late Herf-Richter were titled "Musik miot

Mikrotönen, Ekmelische Musik," which would suggest that it was being used as

a broader umbrella, especially since Ezra Sims was there and 72-equal played

a major role in those Salzburg conferences. Anyone know what's going on over

there nowadays?

Aaron

Aaron,

Thanks, I wasn't aware that it referred to the harmonic

series.

>Anyone know what's going on over there nowadays?

I don't; they still give courses. In 1999 a CD titled

"Ekmelische Musik" came out.

Manuel

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, pitchcolor@a... wrote:

> >Ekmelic is a generic German term used to describe prime harmonics

greater

> >than 5.

>

> You mean ekmelisch; I don't know if that's exactly true. If I

> remember correctly it comes from the Greek words ek=out and

> melos=series so it means "out of the normal range". So in that

> sense it can be seen as the equivalent of Ivor Darreg's term

> "xenharmonic". The opposite term is emmelisch.

>

> Manuel>>

>

> Hi and thanks for the info; I meant to point out that the term is

widely used

> in reference to just intonation rather than equal tunings, as your

note

> verifies. "Ekmelisch" may be roughly equivalent to "xenharmonic"

but I think

> it is important to point out that "ekmelisch" does actually refer

to

> "harmonics;" hence "series," rather than to some arbitrary "unusual

tuning."

> More specifically, it refers to harmonics which are above those

associated

> with traditional Western music - those of 7 and beyond. Martin

Vogel used

> the term to describe prime harmonics 7 and beyond in his books "the

future of

> Music", "the number 7 in music", and "on the relations of tone"

(all in

> German of course) The use of the term "ekmelisch" in other texts

(Ernst

> Bindel et al) is consistent with this, however, the international

conferences

> which were hosted by the late Herf-Richter were titled "Musik miot

> Mikrotönen, Ekmelische Musik," which would suggest that it was

being used as

> a broader umbrella, especially since Ezra Sims was there and 72-

equal played

> a major role in those Salzburg conferences. Anyone know what's

going on over

> there nowadays?

>

> Aaron

***I'm assuming, then, that the Sims notation was used in these

Salzburg conferences??

J. Pehrson

hi Joe,

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>

wrote:

> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, pitchcolor@a... wrote:

>

> /tuning-math/message/3708

>

>

> > > Ekmelic is a generic German term used to describe prime

> > > harmonics greater than 5.

> >

> > You mean ekmelisch; I don't know if that's exactly true. If I

> > remember correctly it comes from the Greek words ek=out and

> > melos=series so it means "out of the normal range". So in that

> > sense it can be seen as the equivalent of Ivor Darreg's term

> > "xenharmonic". The opposite term is emmelisch.

> >

> > Manuel>>

> >

> > Hi and thanks for the info; I meant to point out that the

> > term is widely used in reference to just intonation rather

> > than equal tunings, as your note verifies. "Ekmelisch"

> > may be roughly equivalent to "xenharmonic" but I think

> > it is important to point out that "ekmelisch" does

> > actually refer to "harmonics;" hence "series," rather

> > than to some arbitrary "unusual tuning."

> > More specifically, it refers to harmonics which are above

> > those associated with traditional Western music - those

> > of 7 and beyond. Martin Vogel used the term to describe

> > prime harmonics 7 and beyond in his books "the future of

> > Music", "the number 7 in music", and "on the relations of

> > tone" (all in German of course) The use of the term

> > "ekmelisch" in other texts (Ernst Bindel et al) is

> > consistent with this, however, the international

> > conferences which were hosted by the late Herf-Richter

> > were titled "Musik miot Mikrotönen, Ekmelische Musik,"

> > which would suggest that it was being used as a broader

> > umbrella, especially since Ezra Sims was there and 72-equal

> > played a major role in those Salzburg conferences. Anyone

> > know what's going on over there nowadays?

> >

> > Aaron

>

>

> ***I'm assuming, then, that the Sims notation was used in

> these Salzburg conferences??

no, Joe. Richter-Herf used his own form of 72edo notation,

which is closer to my 72edo-HEWM. (read my HEWM page).

Sims contributed to those conferences, so i imagine that

both notations were encountered.

i've posted about Herf here in the past:

/tuning/topicId_22968.html#23086?expand=1

(second half of the post)

modern use of the terms "ekmelische" and "ekmelic"

(German and English, respectively) is due to Herf.

Herf's interesting theory did indeed have a JI/harmonic basis,

but he used 72edo for notational purposes.

-monz

> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"

<jpehrson@r...>

> wrote:

> > ***I'm assuming, then, that the Sims notation was used in

> > these Salzburg conferences??

>

>

>

> no, Joe. Richter-Herf used his own form of 72edo notation,

> which is closer to my 72edo-HEWM. (read my HEWM page).

> Sims contributed to those conferences, so i imagine that

> both notations were encountered.

Sims gave lectures and of course used his own 72-tone

notation. Proof can be found in the conference proceedings

called 'Mikrotone', available in various volumes. Sims articles are

in English, and the rest of the text is in German.

> modern use of the terms "ekmelische" and "ekmelic"

> (German and English, respectively) is due to Herf.

I have been under the impression that Martin Vogel used this

term prior to Herf.

Regards,

Aaron Hunt