Journal of Mathematics and Music

This is a new journal devoted to the mathematics of music, scales, etc.
Vol 1, No 2 is devoted to legacy of the late John Clough has an article
by Norman Carey on well-formed scales and David Clampitt wrote a good
eulogy and review article.

Vol 1, No 1 has one by Douthett and Krantz on Continued fractions,
scales, intervals.

The journal was launched in conjunction with a meeting in Berlin last
May of the Society for Mathematics and Computation in Music (SMCM).

See the following URL:

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~content=t741809807

--John

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Wow, this actually looks pretty cool. Thanks John!

-Carl

At 12:49 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote:
>This is a new journal devoted to the mathematics of music, scales, etc.
>Vol 1, No 2 is devoted to legacy of the late John Clough has an article
>by Norman Carey on well-formed scales and David Clampitt wrote a good
>eulogy and review article.
>
>Vol 1, No 1 has one by Douthett and Krantz on Continued fractions,
>scales, intervals.
>
>The journal was launched in conjunction with a meeting in Berlin last
>May of the Society for Mathematics and Computation in Music (SMCM).
>
>See the following URL:
>
>http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~content=t741809807
>
>--John

Well, OK, the TOCs so far aren't that strong actually. Maybe
some people around here could fix that...

-Carl

At 02:02 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote:
>Wow, this actually looks pretty cool. Thanks John!
>
>-Carl
>
>At 12:49 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote:
>>This is a new journal devoted to the mathematics of music, scales, etc.
>>Vol 1, No 2 is devoted to legacy of the late John Clough has an article
>>by Norman Carey on well-formed scales and David Clampitt wrote a good
>>eulogy and review article.
>>
>>Vol 1, No 1 has one by Douthett and Krantz on Continued fractions,
>>scales, intervals.
>>
>>The journal was launched in conjunction with a meeting in Berlin last
>>May of the Society for Mathematics and Computation in Music (SMCM).
>>
>>See the following URL:
>>
>>http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~content=t741809807
>>
>>--John

I remember Jon Wild posted this journal a while ago, which led to us
reading the now-infamous Zabka paper:

http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tmam20/current

Looks like some great stuff is in here. Like this paper Bill Sethares
just wrote:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17459737.2011.640469

Does anyone know anything about this journal? (Jon Wild, if you still
lurk here, can you talk a bit about it?) It doesn't seem to have much
emphasis on serialism or what have you at all, and seems to be much
more open to embracing microtonal and tuning-related stuff.

Also, how can I get access to this journal - what's it cost for a subscription?

-Mike

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> I remember Jon Wild posted this journal a while ago, which led to us
> reading the now-infamous Zabka paper:
>
> http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tmam20/current
>
> Looks like some great stuff is in here. Like this paper Bill Sethares
> just wrote:
>
> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17459737.2011.640469
>
> Does anyone know anything about this journal?

http://www.tandfonline.com/action/aboutThisJournal?show=editorialBoard&journalCode=tmam20

http://www.tandfonline.com/action/pricing?journalCode=tmam20

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:02 PM, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I remember Jon Wild posted this journal a while ago, which led to us
> > reading the now-infamous Zabka paper:
> >
> > http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tmam20/current
> >
> > Looks like some great stuff is in here. Like this paper Bill Sethares
> > just wrote:
> >
> > http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17459737.2011.640469
> >
> > Does anyone know anything about this journal?
>
>
> http://www.tandfonline.com/action/aboutThisJournal?show=editorialBoard&journalCode=tmam20

I see "blah blah blah blah blah TYMOCZKO." Actually, I recognize
Risset, but I thought he was more of a psychoacoustics guy than a
music theory guy.

> http://www.tandfonline.com/action/pricing?journalCode=tmam20

Lame.

Anyway, looks interesting. People here might like it. Looks like
there's more of an emphasis on math and music theory in general, and
less of an emphasis on things like serialism and so forth. I note
again that the Zabka paper came from here.

-Mike

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

> I see "blah blah blah blah blah TYMOCZKO." Actually, I recognize
> Risset, but I thought he was more of a psychoacoustics guy than a
> music theory guy.

What, you don't recognize Jean-Paul Allouche, Milton Babbitt, Pierre Boulez, Jean-Pierre Bourguignon, Noam Elkies, Yves Hellegouarch, or Peter Johnstone? Some pretty well-known mathematicans in there, plus a couple of musicians. More names I recognize on the editorial board.

Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see "blah blah blah blah blah TYMOCZKO." Actually, I
> recognize Risset, but I thought he was more of a
> psychoacoustics guy than a music theory guy.

He's linked to Ircam, and so is the journal. Here's what
they say about him:

http://brahms.ircam.fr/composers/composer/2734/

His work may have be focused on timbre, but he's still well
placed to judge work on music and mathematics.

There have been times when the journal made some material
available for free. So I grabbed it. Some of it is
interesting but not earth shattering.

I've never heard of anybody from these parts writing a
paper for it and being rejected. It's an obvious venue for
some of our work.

Graham

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:03 PM, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I see "blah blah blah blah blah TYMOCZKO." Actually, I recognize
> > Risset, but I thought he was more of a psychoacoustics guy than a
> > music theory guy.
>
> What, you don't recognize Jean-Paul Allouche, Milton Babbitt, Pierre
> Boulez, Jean-Pierre Bourguignon, Noam Elkies, Yves Hellegouarch, or Peter
> Johnstone? Some pretty well-known mathematicans in there, plus a couple of
> musicians. More names I recognize on the editorial board.

Babbitt I recognize and Hellgouarch looks familiar. Other than that,
not really. If you know of any work by those people I should read,
please let me know.

Anyway, this is more a testament to my own ignorance of the field than
anything. The reason that I'm posting this here is that I'm getting
more interested in the so-called "academic" branch of music theory,
since that Zabka paper's proven to be so useful. I dunno why I had
some notion that it was all about serialism and atonality, but it
clearly isn't.

-Mike

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

> > What, you don't recognize Jean-Paul Allouche, Milton Babbitt, Pierre
> > Boulez, Jean-Pierre Bourguignon, Noam Elkies, Yves Hellegouarch, or Peter
> > Johnstone? Some pretty well-known mathematicans in there, plus a couple of
> > musicians. More names I recognize on the editorial board.
>
> Babbitt I recognize and Hellgouarch looks familiar. Other than that,
> not really. If you know of any work by those people I should read,
> please let me know.

Both Paul Hjelmstad and I have communicated with Elkies, who writes conventional music as well as being a noted number theorist. Hellegouarch you may have heard of in connection with Fermat's Last Theorem; he was the one who came up with the idea of associating a solution of FLT to an elliptic curve.

Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@gmail.com> wrote:

> Babbitt I recognize and Hellgouarch looks familiar. Other
> than that, not really. If you know of any work by those
> people I should read, please let me know.

Hellegouarch is interesting historically because he was
working with periodicity blocks and algebra of vals and
probably got some ideas first. There's a description of
this work in a recent JMM article that you should have
grabbed when it was free. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem
to have been in contact with others like Gene and we don't
know what he's up to on these lines today.

Graham

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <gbreed@...> wrote:

> Hellegouarch is interesting historically because he was
> working with periodicity blocks and algebra of vals and
> probably got some ideas first.

When Ribet told me about the idea of using a solution of Fermat to make an elliptic curve with very peculiar properties, he attributed the idea to Frey. Hellegouarch sort of languished in obscurity there for a while until the whole thing became so famous his pioneering role emerged. It's still called the Frey Curve.

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <gbreed@...> wrote:
>
> > Hellegouarch is interesting historically because he was
> > working with periodicity blocks and algebra of vals and
> > probably got some ideas first.
>
> When Ribet told me about the idea of using a solution of Fermat to make an
> elliptic curve with very peculiar properties, he attributed the idea to
> Frey. Hellegouarch sort of languished in obscurity there for a while until
> the whole thing became so famous his pioneering role emerged. It's still
> called the Frey Curve.

Might as well just call it the Regular Mapping Paradigm then, and not
the Smith-Breed-Erlich-etc Mapping Paradigm, and it'll all work itself
out then.

-Mike