Pitch Spelling

I found these links on usenet:

http://www.titanmusic.com/papers/public/ps-cmmr2004.pdf

http://gsd.ime.usp.br/sbcm/2001/papers/rEmilios_Cambouropoulos.pdf

Relevant here because it's the same problem as adaptively tuning a piece from equal temperament to meantone. I played around with some Gesualdo fragments a while back -- these articles are much more thorough.

Graham

>I found these links on usenet:
>
> http://www.titanmusic.com/papers/public/ps-cmmr2004.pdf
>
> http://gsd.ime.usp.br/sbcm/2001/papers/rEmilios_Cambouropoulos.pdf
>
>Relevant here because it's the same problem as adaptively tuning a piece
>from equal temperament to meantone. I played around with some Gesualdo
>fragments a while back -- these articles are much more thorough.

Interesting, though somewhat frustrating. The first paper didn't do
a very good job of explaining the algorithms. The second wasn't
claiming as much accuracy -- it also claimed 96% is very good, but
in fact, just as in speech recognition, 96% is pretty bad. Both
papers are suspect for limiting themselves to common practice music.

-Carl

I always considered enharmonic-spelling to be a burden with musical notation software. Is there any program that actually understands that a certain note in a certain passage HAS to be Fb and not E? The amount of toil re-notating each wrongly spelled pitch accumulates like a mountain, costing valuable time, effort and patience.

It would have been so much better if the option of identifying what the next note played should be, e. g. Dx, E or Fb, were given. Since there is the possibility of re-spelling a note in one of three ways, perhaps holding down the minus as E is played on the keyboard in step-time entry could convert the note into a Dx, and the plus, into Fb.

Nevertheless, an algorithm is certainly needed for real-time entry.
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma
To: tuning-math@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 31 Ocak 2005 Pazartesi 2:04
Subject: Re: [tuning-math] Pitch Spelling

>I found these links on usenet:
>
> http://www.titanmusic.com/papers/public/ps-cmmr2004.pdf
>
> http://gsd.ime.usp.br/sbcm/2001/papers/rEmilios_Cambouropoulos.pdf
>
>Relevant here because it's the same problem as adaptively tuning a piece
>from equal temperament to meantone. I played around with some Gesualdo
>fragments a while back -- these articles are much more thorough.

Interesting, though somewhat frustrating. The first paper didn't do
a very good job of explaining the algorithms. The second wasn't
claiming as much accuracy -- it also claimed 96% is very good, but
in fact, just as in speech recognition, 96% is pretty bad. Both
papers are suspect for limiting themselves to common practice music.

-Carl

hi Ozan,

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
wrote:

> I always considered enharmonic-spelling to be a
> burden with musical notation software. Is there
> any program that actually understands that a
> certain note in a certain passage HAS to be Fb
> and not E?

yes ... Tonalsoft's Musica does. it clearly differentiates
all "enharmonically-equivalent" sets of notes.

(release 1.0 now planned for summer 2005)

-monz

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
>
> hi Ozan,
>
>
> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
> wrote:
>
> > I always considered enharmonic-spelling to be a
> > burden with musical notation software. Is there
> > any program that actually understands that a
> > certain note in a certain passage HAS to be Fb
> > and not E?
>
>
> yes ... Tonalsoft's Musica does. it clearly differentiates
> all "enharmonically-equivalent" sets of notes.

... well, of course, *how* it differentiates between
enharmonics depends on exactly how the particular tuning
works.

for example, if the user is working in 19-ET, Fb and E
are two different pitches (one degree apart), but E# is
the same as Fb. etc.

-monz

"monz" <monz@tonalsoft.com> writes:

> yes ... Tonalsoft's Musica does. it clearly differentiates
> all "enharmonically-equivalent" sets of notes.
>
> (release 1.0 now planned for summer 2005)

What a shame it appears to be a closed source code, for some
unspecified OS but probably not one of the ones I use.

- Rich Holmes

Splendid!
----- Original Message -----
From: monz
To: tuning-math@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 31 Ocak 2005 Pazartesi 22:43
Subject: [tuning-math] Re: Pitch Spelling

yes ... Tonalsoft's Musica does. it clearly differentiates
all "enharmonically-equivalent" sets of notes.

(release 1.0 now planned for summer 2005)

-monz